Hey Choff, Model About To Cure Common Cold

[Schneibster]

Further, the Hockey Stick leading up to 2000 is clear, sharp, and strong and totally fake, Mann was busted,

Dude he's suing for defamation.

You're denying reality.

Let me make it even clearer: his very conservative university lawyers are going ahead with the defamation case. They think they already won.

You're pretending the aliens are writing messages in letters of fire on the inside of your forehead.

Wake up.

[choff]

The case is for defamation, the judge can't rule the climate will heat up, you don't know what the PCR is do you.

[Schneibster]

The case is for defamation, the judge can't rule the climate will heat up,

But the judge can rule the defendants should reasonably have known the climate is in fact heating up according to the best scientific evidence and therefore had grounds to believe they were wrong; and furthermore that the plaintiff's scientific evidence was acquired and presented in good faith with proper public submission for review, and was at no time intended to be fraudulent, nor in fact have five separate expensive reviews found the slightest sign of impropriety. Finally it remains true that this is the hottest decade on record.

I repeat, I am amazed that the National Review's and the Competitive Enterprise Institute's lawyers never told them they were straying into territory they would not conveniently be able to back out of again. I expect Willard "Tony" Watts had not the slightest clue, but these multimillion-dollar institutions surely have better lawyers than this.

you don't know what the PCR is do you.

It's a polymerase chain reaction, intended to amplify a particular DNA sequence, if and only if it exists in the sample under test.

You still haven't read the article, have you.

[Diogenes]

Writing to Scheisser.

You actually believe that, I'm sorry, all this time I really, really wanted to give you enough of a benefit of the doubt that you were aspy, or some overly sensitive prodigy type. But since you actually think the MWP was colder than 1998, the only possible conclusion is you're a complete idiot. But I'll give you one more chance, what does PCR stand for.

Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!

[choff]

There may yet be hope for you, and I did read the article, but I still wouldn't call the cure imminent. They have to find a drug for the C strain first, safety testing has to be completed on humans, and hopefully there isn't a hidden D strain lurking in the background to foil the effort.

[choff]

As for the defamation case, given the politically charged nature of U.S. society, I wouldn't put any stock in a verdict. The judge cannot change the thermal balance of the atmosphere, she can rule it goes up or down, but she can't hold the climate in contempt for disobeying her ruling.

[Schneibster]

As for the defamation case, given the politically charged nature of U.S. society, I wouldn't put any stock in a verdict. The judge cannot change the thermal balance of the atmosphere, she can rule it goes up or down, but she can't hold the climate in contempt for disobeying her ruling.

You've missed the point.

The point is they know they're lying.

[choff]

You should never assume someone knows their lying, the same way you shouldn't always believe someone is telling you the truth. One thing I've picked up from the whole debate, where people stand on AGW depends largely on political viewpoint, they will believe those sourches of information that support their politics, or in the case of climate research, keep the rice bowl full.

Right about now, climate researchers are looking at declining funding to reverse the warming trend that isn't happening. That's why you will begin to see a few of them come out saying we're on the brink of a new ice age because of reduced solar activity. They will also say the problem is aggravated by CO2, which will turn out to be the new deadly cooling gas. Then you will see a staged debate in the CR community followed by thousands of them signing a petition to reduce evil CO2 cooling. Those who cling to the idea of CO2 induced warming will be thrown under the bus by the very people they looked up to as original sourches on the heat death of the planet.

So watch your back, because your current opponents aren't the ones you should worry about. Maybe you have sufficient conditioning in the dialectic doublethink to time the switch of positions without even being aware of it, and the herd won't decide you're the one they have to sacrifice to save face.

[Schneibster]

You should never assume someone knows their lying, the same way you shouldn't always believe someone is telling you the truth.

Willard "Tony" Watts knows he's lying. The logic twists are too exquisite to be by chance. And the Koch brothers know they are lying, too. They're lying about all kinds of stuff, economics, actuarial statistics, womens' health, as well as climate change and oil pollution.

One thing I've picked up from the whole debate, where people stand on AGW depends largely on political viewpoint, they will believe those sourches of information that support their politics, or in the case of climate research, keep the rice bowl full.

But see, you missed the main point: one political viewpoint believes the science. And the science is the only part that's important.

Right about now, climate researchers are looking at declining funding to reverse the warming trend that isn't happening.

"Climate scientists" (did you mean atmospheric and oceanic geophysicists? "Climate science" is not a discipline) in fact have found a number of pretty obvious graphs that mean you are mistaken. Here's one, called the "Arctic Ice Death Spiral:"

That's why you will begin to see a few of them come out saying we're on the brink of a new ice age because of reduced solar activity.

No, MSimon's source is simply mistaken; he's taken something from NASA in January, when the current activity has returned to normal.

They will also say the problem is aggravated by CO2, which will turn out to be the new deadly cooling gas.

CO2 can't cool. Dude, you appear completely ignorant of science.

Then you will see a staged debate in the CR community followed by thousands of them signing a petition to reduce evil CO2 cooling. Those who cling to the idea of CO2 induced warming will be thrown under the bus by the very people they looked up to as original sourches on the heat death of the planet.

Unfortunately you've earned 40 Baez Points:

"40 points for claiming that when your theory is finally appreciated, present-day science will be seen for the sham it truly is. (30 more points for fantasizing about show trials in which scientists who mocked your theories will be forced to recant.) "

Number 36.

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html

[Schneibster]

Ultimately it's going to get hotter and hotter no matter how many climate cranks deny it.

The question is whether there will still be time to fix it after folks realize it's really real and jebus isn't gonna make it go away.

[hanelyp]

When the cries that "the science is settled" turn to the little ice age projections and we start hearing calls for economically ruinous remedies, then it will be time to turn on the ice-agers. As long as the remedies proposed are responsible and allow that the projections may be wrong, and the scientists show their work, they deserve a hearing.

[Schneibster]

What "little ice age projections?"

The ones from before the solar cycle went normal again?

Duh ummm.

[Schneibster]

Choff, you know how I know Willard is lying? It's simply this: all weather forecasting uses models.

[Diogenes]

[Schneibster]

That's about fifteen spams I've reported.

Just so you know.