Federal Agent Comandeers Local Law Enforcement

[MSimon]

Well my "conservative" friends. What I have been warning you about has come to pass.

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William R. Sherman, Acting Special Agent in Charge of the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) San Diego Field Division has declared an outright war on medical marijuana patients in San Diego. Without any regard for State law or local regulations, Sherman has commandeered local law enforcement to enforce federal law and has executed hundreds of raids on medical marijuana patients. Through these raids, the DEA has stolen millions of dollars in cash and medicine from patients in San Diego.

Most recently Sherman appeared on NBC television in San Diego to claim that smoked cannabis has no medical value, and to declare war on the remaining safe access that does exist.

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Yeah. The news is from the evil Weed Blog. http://www.theweedblog.com/dea-special- ... -medicine/

Now suppose the Federales decide to go after guns? They WILL get help from SOME locals. Which may be all they need. There are always a few who will just follow orders for a paycheck. Maybe more than a few.

[GIThruster]

Obviously your perspective is as screwed up as always, all due to your own drug abuse.

Cannabis is illegal in all of the United States. When a state decides to decriminalize it, all this means is the state law enforcement officials are no longer forced to pursue such druggies as criminals. State law does not trump federal law, but it does redirect state enforcement priorities.

If the feds can press the state authorities into service when people are violating federal law, good for them. Tjose people arrested were violating the law and are criminals.

I dunno what you think you were warning us about, but there is nothing new here.

[MSimon]

Obviously your perspective is as screwed up as always, all due to your own drug abuse.

Cannabis is illegal in all of the United States. When a state decides to decriminalize it, all this means is the state law enforcement officials are no longer forced to pursue such druggies as criminals. State law does not trump federal law, but it does redirect state enforcement priorities.

If the feds can press the state authorities into service when people are violating federal law, good for them. Tjose people arrested were violating the law and are criminals.

I dunno what you think you were warning us about, but there is nothing new here.

Well they are just trying out the plan on dopers. No one cares what happens to dopers. Once the precedent is established with the help of people like you they will be coming for your guns.

You my friend are being played. Why not? The powers can always use useful idiots.

Which is why you should be demanding that the Federal Government stick to its LIMITED powers.

BTW the Federal Dope Laws were instituted by Progressives. That makes you a Progressive.

The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected. Even when the revolutionist might himself repent of his revolution, the traditionalist is already defending it as part of his tradition. Thus we have two great types -- the advanced person who rushes us into ruin, and the retrospective person who admires the ruins. He admires them especially by moonlight, not to say moonshine. Each new blunder of the progressive or prig becomes instantly a legend of immemorial antiquity for the snob. This is called the balance, or mutual check, in our Constitution. — G.K. Chesterton

And your opposition to:

The endocannabinoid system is a major regulator in the body implicated in almost all diseases including cancer.

Makes you a supporter of mass murder.

Think I can't make that stick? Read more here:

http://talk-polywell.org/bb/viewtopic.p ... 937#p98937

These phony “wars” not only never end, they set us up for new ones: The War on Some Drugs leads to the War on Some Terror, which leads to the War on Some Guns. The Framers would have considered none of these wars as being legitimated exercises of enumerated powers and, hence, unconstitutional.

Modern “conservatives” are statists to the bone, though, and so consider any exercise of government power legitimate, as long as they agree with the goals those exercises seek to achieve.

From: http://www.dailypundit.com/?p=69174

And since you have reopened a subject that I was under the impression was closed I now feel free to post my drug war articles as stand alone pieces. Don't like it? Be a pussy and whine. Or you can apologize. Publicly this time.

[GIThruster]

And your opposition to:

The endocannabinoid system is a major regulator in the body implicated in almost all diseases including cancer.

Makes you a supporter of mass murder.

You need to see a doctor and take an MMPI simon. You're losing the small appearance you had of rationality and your delusions turned to compulsions are actually dangerous to others.

[GIThruster]

And your opposition to:

The endocannabinoid system is a major regulator in the body implicated in almost all diseases including cancer.

Makes you a supporter of mass murder.

You need to see a doctor and take an MMPI simon. You're losing the small appearance you had of rationality and your accusations are way past compulsions into delusions. You sound dangerous to others making accusations like that and in fact, delusional accusations like that are generally an excuse for violent behavior.

You need to see a doctor before you hurt someone.

And I will remind you, that Joe is fed up with your outrageous behavior too. You have been instructed to stop with your sick nonsense and haven't even slowed. I have not responded to any of the dozens of you pro-druig posts in various threads for the last couple weeks, so you can't blame your continuing obsessive compulsive behavior on me. You're about ready to get yourself banned from this forum.

Go see a doctor.

[kcdodd]

And your opposition to:

The endocannabinoid system is a major regulator in the body implicated in almost all diseases including cancer.

Makes you a supporter of mass murder.

You need to see a doctor and take an MMPI simon. You're losing the small appearance you had of rationality and your delusions turned to compulsions are actually dangerous to others.

Dangerous? How? He is delusional? Really now.

[MSimon]

GIT,

In case you didn't get it this was my point and it has nothing to do with dopers other than that they are a convenient target. They serve the same purpose in America 2013 as Jews did in Germany 1933.

Well they are just trying out the plan on dopers. No one cares what happens to dopers. Once the precedent is established with the help of people like you they will be coming for your guns.

And you mean to tell me that you can't at least see an outline of a general plan to disarm gun owners? Have you been paying attention?

Review your Niemoller to see how it is done: "First they came for..."

[MSimon]

Drug War Nazis - remember that phrase - you will be hearing it more often.



From: http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailywee ... orse_u.php

[GIThruster]

Dangerous? How? He is delusional? Really now.

Demonization is a common step in delusional thinking. It is obsessive and compulsive to relate all topics to one topic, it is a common step in delusional thinking to attribute thoughts, positions and motives to others they have not offered and it is way over the line of healthy behavior for simon to be telling others they are supporters of mass murder. That's crazy talk by any standard, and in light of the fact he has been warned by Joe to knock it off, I'd say simon is definitely losing his grip on reality. He needs to see a doctor.

[GIThruster]

And you mean to tell me that you can't at least see an outline of a general plan to disarm gun owners? Have you been paying attention?

I've been paying attention. I just think it's dopey and paranoid to think this is a precursor to trying to disarm the nation. The laws in this country don't even a allow congress to pass a law requiring registration of all guns, so this is just crazy talk. It is your delusional thinking that relates all events to your drug habit that has you thinking and writing this kind of crazy. For the feds to force local enforcement to join them in drug raids is as should be and as should be expected. It has NOTHING to do with gun control laws that can't ever be passed.

[hanelyp]

Abuses made in the name of drug enforcement are real, but I see them as part of a larger pattern of disrespect for rule of law and due process. Blindly legalizing drugs will do nothing to help the larger problem, and will create more problems in itself. The push by democrats for harsher gun control, with an objective of incrementally disarming the common man, is another facet of this larger problem.

[kcdodd]

There is clearly a battle between federal and state control. If someone can't see that, then they're blind. If a state decided federal gun laws isn't for them, you can be sure the feds will do the same. It would be naive to not see that much.

[paperburn1]

There is clearly a battle between federal and state control. If someone can't see that, then they're blind. If a state decided federal gun laws isn't for them, you can be sure the feds will do the same. It would be naive to not see that much.

I agree, states rights have taken a serious beating in the last ten years, with federal officials using fiscal strong arm tactics to get states to "play ball"

[MSimon]

There is clearly a battle between federal and state control. If someone can't see that, then they're blind. If a state decided federal gun laws isn't for them, you can be sure the feds will do the same. It would be naive to not see that much.

I agree, states rights have taken a serious beating in the last ten years, with federal officials using fiscal strong arm tactics to get states to "play ball"

And yet we have an issue where the left is asserting States Rights and what does the right do? Vilify them. Because of Dope.

The same was done in the Raich case where there was a chance to overturn Wickard vs Filburn. When Raich lost the right cheered. Because of Dope.

It would seem to me that making common cause with the left on important things - like States Rights - would be a no brainer. Instead of thinking the right is reflexive. Ossified. Stuck. "If the left is for it I'm against it." And not just here. The core of the right is like that all over from what I see on the net.

Well in general old people have lost the ability to think. And surprisingly enough - despite their wrongheadedness - the left is more supple than the right. Something I would never have expected. It may be because the youth is trending left/libertarian. So for the time being, until the right regains the ability to think I'm throwing my lot in with the left/libertarians.

Let me also chime in on the issue of drones and killing Americans on American soil without due process when there is no immanent danger. I saw a righty elsewhere come out in opposition to Rand Paul's position simply because he had the support of Code Pink. That is crazy thinking. At least I haven't seen that on this board. So far.

[MSimon]

Abuses made in the name of drug enforcement are real, but I see them as part of a larger pattern of disrespect for rule of law and due process. Blindly legalizing drugs will do nothing to help the larger problem, and will create more problems in itself. The push by democrats for harsher gun control, with an objective of incrementally disarming the common man, is another facet of this larger problem.

Legalizing drugs will just return us to the status quo ante. Before the Federales got involved. We handled it. We can handle it again.

And legalization will relieve us of a host of problems. Like financing criminal gangs. Among other things. Like relieving a justice system collapsing under the weight of Prohibition (alcohol prohibition did that too). And allowing research into http://classicalvalues.com/2013/03/endo ... e-science/. Miracle drugs that grow on plants. Think of what that will do to medical costs. Actually bend the curve.

Medical Marijuana prohibition is a crime against humanity and a violation of the religious precept - heal the sick.