Democrats Start Positioning Themselves For Prohibition End

[Diogenes]

So you would pray to Buddha or Allah in a such a situation.?
How about everyone else here? Could you pray to a 'pagan' god?
Would you want to have your family exposed to 'pagan' rituals and prayers?

I can stand there quietly and let everyone else do it. There is no obligation for me to participate actively, but if it comes to that, I wouldn't much care one way or the other.


I can mouth meaningless (to me) phrases just as well as the next person. It offends my agnostic sensibilities not at all.

Great. What about your pro-theist sensibilities, what why you being an "old testament type of guy".

Yeah? So? Hawaii had developed what was for them a workable system. It fills their needs. I'm not suggesting that a society has to have a specific theistic system, they just need one that works. I personally think the Judeo-Christian system is the one which works best for any society, but I see no requirement to preclude a system that works good enough to suit a functional society.

The old testament is pretty explicit and graphic as to what happens to heretics, pagans and such.

Such people are diluting or weakening the meme. Not a good thing if it is the meme that is keeping your society alive. During older times when the margin for error was not so large, it could mean life or death to some people or even groups of people if they deviated from the meme. The Georgian period of England is an example of this.

The real problem is that most evangelicals like Mr. Christenot would not. They would be incensed to hear 'pagan' prayers. And most of them are not as rational as Mr. Christenot.

He gets it.

He gets the simple argument. I doubt he even has an inkling of the more complex argument. Many people simply don't recognize that there is a bigger picture.

[ladajo]

I'm particularly fond of the Muslim definition of rape. If a woman has no protector she is free game. And if a man or a bunch of them have sex with her against her wishes it is her fault.

The idea that a woman is a person in her own right is a rather peculiar and recent Western invention.

Not true on both counts.

You make a blanket statement for all, based on actions of few. And also ignore that Islam also says that sex without marraige is wrong.

On the second count, you are wrong again. Here is one example (pardon use of wikipedia, it is not intended as an authoritative reference):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etruscan_civilization

There are many others.

http://womenshistory.about.com/od/ancie ... Rulers.htm

http://news.medill.northwestern.edu/chi ... ?id=202656

http://www.bridgew.edu/soas/jiws/nov05v2/leaders.pdf

etc. etc. etc.

[palladin9479]

So you would pray to Buddha or Allah in a such a situation.?
How about everyone else here? Could you pray to a 'pagan' god?
Would you want to have your family exposed to 'pagan' rituals and prayers?

Can I have a Saturnalia? Assuming I can get the First Mate's permission.

Will Shamanism be allowed?

http://www.alchemy-works.com/

IDK about you but I sacrifice furry woodland animals to appease whatever dark lords exist. Sometimes you even have to splash some of the blood over your servers to ensure "acts of god" don't cause unnecessary downtime.

[Diogenes]

So you would pray to Buddha or Allah in a such a situation.?
How about everyone else here? Could you pray to a 'pagan' god?
Would you want to have your family exposed to 'pagan' rituals and prayers?

Can I have a Saturnalia? Assuming I can get the First Mate's permission.

Will Shamanism be allowed?

http://www.alchemy-works.com/

IDK about you but I sacrifice furry woodland animals to appease whatever dark lords exist. Sometimes you even have to splash some of the blood over your servers to ensure "acts of god" don't cause unnecessary downtime.

Let me repeat it again, so people who cannot comprehend arithmetic can understand the point.


The 24th amendment is what is currently drowning the United States in massive debt. The Free sh*t army keeps voting for politicians to give them money from the public treasury. A nation that exists to give non-taxpayers money is a nation which is doomed to die.


Representation without taxation is a surefire way to get the Gods of the copybook headings after you.

[Stubby]

Can I have a Saturnalia? Assuming I can get the First Mate's permission.

Will Shamanism be allowed?

http://www.alchemy-works.com/

IDK about you but I sacrifice furry woodland animals to appease whatever dark lords exist. Sometimes you even have to splash some of the blood over your servers to ensure "acts of god" don't cause unnecessary downtime.

Let me repeat it again, so people who cannot comprehend arithmetic can understand the point.


The 24th amendment is what is currently drowning the United States in massive debt. The Free sh*t army keeps voting for politicians to give them money from the public treasury. A nation that exists to give non-taxpayers money is a nation which is doomed to die.


Representation without taxation is a surefire way to get the Gods of the copybook headings after you.

How very 19th century of you.

[TDPerk]

"How very 19th century of you."

It makes more sense and is actually replicable in history as a good working model, unlike Keynes or Krugman's crap.

[Diogenes]

Let me repeat it again, so people who cannot comprehend arithmetic can understand the point.


The 24th amendment is what is currently drowning the United States in massive debt. The Free sh*t army keeps voting for politicians to give them money from the public treasury. A nation that exists to give non-taxpayers money is a nation which is doomed to die.


Representation without taxation is a surefire way to get the Gods of the copybook headings after you.

How very 19th century of you.

Math worked back then too, and more people had a better understanding of it. People nowadays simply do not comprehend math.



......................." I am math." .......................


"And I am Coming for you."

[Diogenes]

And while we are on the topic.




Obama to Switch to 'Taxation Without Representation' Plates

Though critics called the effort futile and symbolic, a campaign by the D.C. Council and local activists to get President Barack Obama to adopt the city’s standard license plates with the “Taxation Without Representation” motto has succeeded.

On the heels of a WhiteHouse.gov petition, a council resolution and a White House meeting Friday, all presidential vehicles will be fitted with the new plates this coming weekend, just in time for the start of Obama’s second term in office.

http://www.rollcall.com/news/obama_to_s ... os=htmbtxt

[Stubby]

Well then what do you suggest be done when if the 24th is repealed?

Literacy tests?
Civics tests?
Pay to vote?

[Diogenes]

Well then what do you suggest be done when if the 24th is repealed?

Literacy tests?
Civics tests?
Pay to vote?

Simple. Present a tax return to the registrar at the local court house to get on the Voter roll for Federal elections.

Proof of taxes paid to State or County agencies would get you on the Voter roll for State elections.

No tests required on election day. If your name is on the roll as a registered voter then you can show ID and vote.



And the 24th is not going to be repealed. It is going to crash this nation's economy, and whatever government emerges afterward will hopefully not repeat the mistake contained in the last three words of the 24th amendment.

[MSimon]

Well then what do you suggest be done when if the 24th is repealed?

Literacy tests?
Civics tests?
Pay to vote?

Simple. Present a tax return to the registrar at the local court house to get on the Voter roll for Federal elections.

Proof of taxes paid to State or County agencies would get you on the Voter roll for State elections.

No tests required on election day. If your name is on the roll as a registered voter then you can show ID and vote.

And the 24th is not going to be repealed. It is going to crash this nation's economy, and whatever government emerges afterward will hopefully not repeat the mistake contained in the last three words of the 24th amendment.

Depends on who is making the rules after the reset. And the strength of their gang.

Suppose the Drug Cartels win and decide to keep prohibition in place to keep their profits up? And suppose they decide that gun control is better for their business. Kinda sounds like Mexico to me.

That guy on the horse is very busy in Mexico.

But it could work that way with Republicans in cahoots with the cartels (objectively).

Prohibitions are funny. The more stringently they are enforced the stronger the illegal suppliers become. And given that they now own the banks

http://classicalvalues.com/2011/11/why- ... ohibition/

and government

"The Latin American drug cartels have stretched their tentacles much deeper into our lives than most people believe. It's possible they are calling the shots at all levels of government." - William Colby, former CIA Director, 1995

They stand a very good chance of coming out on top.

Mexico here we come.

[hanelyp]

If a drug cartel takes control of the government they wouldn't want prohibition. They'd want a government enforced monopoly. Then they could restrict the supply for maximum profit without having to pay the "tax" of contending with prohibition.

[Stubby]

If a drug cartel takes control of the government they wouldn't want prohibition. They'd want a government enforced monopoly. Then they could restrict the supply for maximum profit without having to pay the "tax" of contending with prohibition.

Digot's China example for instance.
The Imperial Chinese tried prohibition, fought not 1 but 2 drugs wars, lost both and then were forced to accept cartel control of their government.

[Diogenes]

If a drug cartel takes control of the government they wouldn't want prohibition. They'd want a government enforced monopoly. Then they could restrict the supply for maximum profit without having to pay the "tax" of contending with prohibition.

Digot's China example for instance.
The Imperial Chinese tried prohibition, fought not 1 but 2 drugs wars, lost both and then were forced to accept cartel control of their government.

First of all, what you say is not true. The Emperor remained in Control of the Chinese Government until he was overthrown for the first time in some thousand years or so of Chinese History. He was overthrown because of unrest caused by China descending into a sociological sh*thole, mostly as a result of his weak response to foreigners bringing drugs into the country, and wrecking the society as well as the economy.

Secondly, even if what you are saying was true, it is irrelevant to the point of what happened regarding the drugs. A cartel control of the government will not make people do something they don't want to do. If they had been trying to sell people vinegar to drink, it wouldn't work at all, and it doesn't matter how much a government tries to induce them to drink it.

The presence of drugs creates it's own environment of addiction. Pushers might speed the process up ( and what sort of fool thinks there wouldn't be pushers for legal drugs? We have TV commercials every day for this or that drug.) but drugs will push themselves regardless. Give everyone the opportunity to try it, and a significant portion of the populace will get caught up in it.

In China, it took 70 years to reach the 50% level, but it eventually got there.

[Stubby]

Which emperor would that be?