Crime and Punishment: Oklahoma (& Texas) style!

choff · Post by **choff** » Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:54 pm

ladajo wrote:It is only really useful if they are allowed to take the asshole out in to the parking lot after they taser him and then shoot him in the head with a shotgun. Well, I guess they could just crush his skull with a car and save the round.

Any questions on where I stand about these school shooting cowards?
No excuse, no mercy.

Considering the motivations of a mass shooter, he'd probably prefer having his head crushed to the embarrassment of being loaded for bear then taken down by a school marm and electricity. He wants to go out in a blaze of glory, not get taunted in prison the rest of his life for being such a loser.

ladajo · Post by **ladajo** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:33 am

Personally, I don't give a rat about its motivations.

If I did, I would recommend wrapping it in duct tape, and then letting it recover from the taser, and making a very slow roll over its head. Very slow.
Like, really very slow.

It can revel in all its glory for however long it takes for its head to pop. The longer the better.

I might be amenable to prison for it on the condition that the other prisoners get to do as they wish with it.

ladajo · Post by **ladajo** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:35 am

And on another note, if these things wanted to go out in a blaze of glory, why do they off themselves in the corner alone?

hanelyp · Post by **hanelyp** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 5:43 am

choff wrote:What about giving all the teachers and staff Tasers?

Up close and personal Tasers, or single shot hope you get lucky Tasers? There are advantages to an option for repeated ranged shots.

GIThruster · Post by **GIThruster** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 7:50 am

The continuing trouble with non-lethal weapons is they are often abused. This was in my philosophy of technology senior thesis in 1993. The development of non-lethal weapons is not the beneficent force people assume. Rather, development of non-lethal force technologies seem to promote violence in the long term.

ladajo · Post by **ladajo** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 4:47 pm

And here is another point in the continuing saga of how well "gun control" works...

Chicago recorded its 500th murder on Friday.

While the city's murder rate is now higher than New York City, Chicago has only about one-third of New York's population.

Most of the violence has been in Chicago's troubled south and west sides, but there also have been a handful of incidents in the downtown area.

Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy and other officials blame the death toll on a splintering of the city's traditional gangs as well as a large number of illegal guns available in the city.

"In the first six months of the year, we seized three guns for every gun seized in Los Angeles and nine guns for every gun confiscated by the New York Police Department," Mr McCarthy said.

"When people ask me, 'What's different about Chicago?' that's one of the things I tell them. We have a proliferation of illegal firearms," he said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20863160

To be fair, the article also discusses how NYC has dropped in Murder rate to less than 500 for the year from a 1990 high of 2245.

That is not attributed to gun control as much as it is to more aggressive policing with "Stop & Frisk". Of course which is vehemently oppossed by those lobbying for Gun Control...which in turn gives the police rights to take any guns they find. Paradoxical at best.

A final quote from the article:

The city's homicides were 80% gang-related, and 80% of the victims were black, although only 33% of the city's population is black.

So once again we see that in the areas with the highest levels of gun control, they still suffer from the highest levels of gun crime.
Hmm. Do you really think those killers in Chicago gave a rat's ass about Gun Control laws in Chicago?

Guns don't kill people. People kill people with whatever they can get their mitts on. For example, the CT Fireman Shooter spent years in prison for killing his 92 Years old Grandma, with a hammer, 13 times to her head.

I bet if she had a gun, odds are, he would be long dead, and the firemen would be alive.

Ironically, it that shooters case, he as a convicted violent felon, who by law is prohibited from owning or having firearms (Gun Control), still got them and had them for almost 3 years before he killed AGAIN.
Jury is still out on what happened to his sister before he shot the Firemen.
Most likely, he killed her as well.

DeltaV · Post by **DeltaV** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 5:08 pm

ladajo wrote:For example, the CT Fireman Shooter spent years in prison for killing his 92 Years old Grandma, with a hammer, 13 times to her head.

It is amazing how often the number 13 appears in stories like these. Someone needs to do a thorough statistical analysis of number killed, wounded, shots fired, etc. in news reports and records.

Makes one wonder how many of these occurences involve programmed 'MK-Ultra' killbots like Sirhan Sirhan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Hood_shooting

The Fort Hood shooting was a shooting that took place on November 5, 2009 at Fort Hood, the most populous U.S. military installation in the world, located just outside Killeen, Texas. In the course of the shooting, a single gunman killed 13 people and wounded 29 others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_ ... l_massacre

The Columbine High School massacre was a school shooting which occurred on April 20, 1999, at Columbine High School in Columbine, an unincorporated area of Jefferson County in the State of Colorado. Two senior students, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, murdered a total of 12 students and one teacher.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook ... l_shooting

On December 14, 2012, Adam Lanza, age 20, fatally shot twenty children and six adult staff members <2x13> and wounded two at Sandy Hook Elementary School in the Sandy Hook village of Newtown, Connecticut.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Aurora_shooting

On Friday, July 20, 2012, a mass shooting occurred inside of a Century movie theater in Aurora, Colorado, during a midnight screening of the film The Dark Knight Rises. A gunman, dressed in tactical clothing, set off tear gas grenades and shot into the audience with multiple firearms, killing 12 people <gun jam?> and injuring 58 others.

Diogenes · Post by **Diogenes** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 6:40 pm

GIThruster wrote:The continuing trouble with non-lethal weapons is they are often abused. This was in my philosophy of technology senior thesis in 1993. The development of non-lethal weapons is not the beneficent force people assume. Rather, development of non-lethal force technologies seem to promote violence in the long term.

This is a valid point. For years I have kept up with the efforts of two companies to create laser induced plasma discharge weapons, (Long range tasers) and likewise pondered how they would work out in practice.

If you can immobilize someone from 300 feet away (the proposed capabilities of these devices) would this not make robbery or rape much easier? Likewise, if law enforcement knew that this device would not kill someone, they would be far more likely to abuse it.

The device would be a perfect crowd suppression tool, and ergo a perfect protest suppression tool. There is a very good possibility that such a device, rather than improving things, could very well make things much worse than before.

The likely hood of killing someone with a firearms discharge actually serves somewhat as a brake on it's usage. Remove the brake and what do you suppose will happen?

http://gizadeathstar.com/2012/07/laser- ... thinkable/

GIThruster · Post by **GIThruster** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 8:14 pm

Well, the guy who wrote that piece isn't quite the sharpest tool in the shed. His thesis, that plasma cannons are intended as a strategic weapon in space is pretty dopey, since for it to work, the laser has to ionize the air and there is no air in space.

Duh!

But yes, I've followed this plasma gun design for years as well, though I wasn't aware of this news of testing at Picatinny. The earlier argument was indeed for a shoulder mounted weapon or rifle, that fired a taser like blast measured in tens of yards, that would stun. And yes, stuff like that has consequences. Think of all the hassles we have because of the prisoners at Guantanamo. Are we likely to ever let them go? No. If they had been killed in battle we would not have the problem we do, with prisoners of war that are never going to be released. That's one consequence of non-lethal weapons as well.

Worse are the non-military applications for such weapons. When the police start carrying such things we have serious trouble. They already tend to abuse tasers and use them when they don't need them. Imagine the urge to find an excuse to fire a lightning bolt at someone. You can assume it will be abused if the police ever get hold of it. Hell, if I could shoot lighting bolts, I'd be looking for targets too. Just as the head of the research team admits: "We never got tired of the lightning bolts zapping our simulated targets". I believe it. Must be cool to feel like Thor. To be the target--not so much.

williatw · Post by **williatw** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 9:12 pm

Diogenes wrote:
GIThruster wrote:The continuing trouble with non-lethal weapons is they are often abused. This was in my philosophy of technology senior thesis in 1993. The development of non-lethal weapons is not the beneficent force people assume. Rather, development of non-lethal force technologies seem to promote violence in the long term.

This is a valid point. For years I have kept up with the efforts of two companies to create laser induced plasma discharge weapons, (Long range tasers) and likewise pondered how they would work out in practice.

If you can immobilize someone from 300 feet away (the proposed capabilities of these devices) would this not make robbery or rape much easier? Likewise, if law enforcement knew that this device would not kill someone, they would be far more likely to abuse it.

The device would be a perfect crowd suppression tool, and ergo a perfect protest suppression tool. There is a very good possibility that such a device, rather than improving things, could very well make things much worse than before.

The likely hood of killing someone with a firearms discharge actually serves somewhat as a brake on it's usage. Remove the brake and what do you suppose will happen?

http://gizadeathstar.com/2012/07/laser- ... thinkable/

Seems similar in purpose and intent (if not function) to the active denial system that made a splash a few years ago, and that I have heard nothing about since.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System

A "pain ray" that leaves no lasting effects (or proof) has all kinds of possibility for abuse. The fact that nerve endings can be stimulated to produce pain with no physical damage is actually a would be torturer's wet dream. Pain inflicted session after session hour after hour without even death or serious bodily injury to provide some release to the hapless victim.

GIThruster · Post by **GIThruster** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 9:23 pm

I was thinking about ADS as well, but I think you misunderstand how it works. It does actually burn the skin. It does not focus on nerve endings but all tissue on the surface. Anyone left in such a field will have their whole body turned into one big blister. This is again a very negative outcome from what is heralded as "non-lethal". If someone were trapped and such a weapon was used on them long enough, not only would they receive 3rd degree burns on their entire body, but the fact the burn damage never goes deeper than 1/2mm means they're more likely to survive in continual pain than normal burn victims. This is a horrible, truly hellacious weapon.

On another note, here's Piers Morgan being owned by Ted Nugent:

http://www.reagancoalition.com/articles ... piers.html

williatw · Post by **williatw** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 9:29 pm

GIThruster wrote:I was thinking about ADS as well, but I think you misunderstand how it works. It does actually burn the skin. It does not focus on nerve endings but all tissue on the surface. Anyone left in such a field will have their whole body turned into one big blister. This is again a very negative outcome from what is heralded as "non-lethal". If someone were trapped and such a weapon was used on them long enough, not only would they receive 3rd degree burns on their entire body, but the fact the burn damage never goes deeper than 1/2mm means they're more likely to survive in continual pain than normal burn victims. This is a horrible, truly hellacious weapon.

On another note, here's Piers Morgan being owned by Ted Nugent:

http://www.reagancoalition.com/articles ... piers.html

Don't think it is in the link I posted...but I seem to remember reading/hearing that it (or something similar) could be altered to different transmission frequencies that directly stimulated the nerve endings in the skin to produce an intense pain sensation.

And yes Ted Nugent did own his ass...just like Jesse Ventura did, his own audience agreed with Ventura, and then Morgan embarrassed said well let’s take a question.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv9ZoiG1Cyw

choff · Post by **choff** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 7:32 am

The thing about the taser, you get a half dozen teachers zapping the assailant at the same time, it saves the state the trouble of giving him the electric chair. The arguments I've heard here against non lethal weapons sound exactly like those used by gun control advocates against guns.

The online book 'Programmed to Kill' goes into detail about MK-Ultra/Monarch and Satanic calender dates/numerology as it relate to mass murders. Also how there tend to be more of these crimes in North America compared to the rest of the world.

paperburn1 · Post by **paperburn1** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:29 pm

hanelyp wrote:
choff wrote:What about giving all the teachers and staff Tasers?
Up close and personal Tasers, or single shot hope you get lucky Tasers? There are advantages to an option for repeated ranged shots.

I believe the suggestion was a solution that would be most palatable to the largest group. Not the most effective.

ladajo · Post by **ladajo** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:51 pm

williatw wrote:
GIThruster wrote:I was thinking about ADS as well, but I think you misunderstand how it works. It does actually burn the skin. It does not focus on nerve endings but all tissue on the surface. Anyone left in such a field will have their whole body turned into one big blister. This is again a very negative outcome from what is heralded as "non-lethal". If someone were trapped and such a weapon was used on them long enough, not only would they receive 3rd degree burns on their entire body, but the fact the burn damage never goes deeper than 1/2mm means they're more likely to survive in continual pain than normal burn victims. This is a horrible, truly hellacious weapon.

On another note, here's Piers Morgan being owned by Ted Nugent:

http://www.reagancoalition.com/articles ... piers.html
Don't think it is in the link I posted...but I seem to remember reading/hearing that it (or something similar) could be altered to different transmission frequencies that directly stimulated the nerve endings in the skin to produce an intense pain sensation.

And yes Ted Nugent did own his ass...just like Jesse Ventura did, his own audience agreed with Ventura, and then Morgan embarrassed said well let’s take a question.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv9ZoiG1Cyw

Active Denial is a fielded and in use system.
GIT can you post evidence to the "burn". I have seen it in use and also have not heard anything about that. As I understand it goes directly after the nerve endingsas well, and very effectively from what I have seen.
If you are inferring that being in front of any high powered transmitter is a risk of roasting if you stay long enough, then that is something different.
There are plenty of transmitters that will fry a person much faster, quicker and more effectively and even at a further distance than anything set up like ADS.