The green movement is out of control

Betruger · Post by **Betruger** » Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:27 pm

Skipjack wrote:Sigh, it is impossible to convince people that religiously believe the shit they are saying. That is true for the socialist politicians that I personally know (and of course there are some that do it for the money and the power, but not all of them) and the people here.
The result is that I keep getting into arguments with both sides. It is tiring and really the older I get, the less I feel like spending my time with this.
Why people just cant for once (even when it is personal experience and only includes a subset of a group) take my word for something is beyond my understanding.
Not everyone is up to something sinister all the time, people!

It's only their Amygdala talking.

Diogenes · Post by **Diogenes** » Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:29 pm

Skipjack wrote:Sigh, it is impossible to convince people that religiously believe the shit they are saying. That is true for the socialist politicians that I personally know (and of course there are some that do it for the money and the power, but not all of them) and the people here.
The result is that I keep getting into arguments with both sides. It is tiring and really the older I get, the less I feel like spending my time with this.
Why people just cant for once (even when it is personal experience and only includes a subset of a group) take my word for something is beyond my understanding.
Not everyone is up to something sinister all the time, people!

I guess you aren't comprehending the correct meaning when I use the term "Useful Idiots." These people do not regard socialism as "sinister", they regard it as "good." They are unaware of the mountain of dead people that lie as testament to what happens when socialistic ideas are implemented.

They are ignorant, and likewise unwilling to learn.

choff · Post by **choff** » Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:42 pm

They really need to read the books by Antony C. Sutton. Of interest is the Journal of Jean Lafette. When it was found, everyone thought it was a fake, since the author claimed to have corresponed with Lincoln and Marx, and he was supposed to have died in the 1820's.

Turned out the paper and ink, under modern analysis, were from the 1850's, and a handwriting expert compared it with documents written by Lafette during his days as a pirate, and said it was the same person.

Lafette in the jounal claimed he worked in later years as an agent for the banks, and opened a account in Paris for Marx and Engels, commision to write his Manifesto. They didn't get much value for the money, since all he did was plagarize the Utopian socialist Considerante.

Marx and his wife were childhood sweethearts, and his brother in law became head of the Prussian secret police section concerned with anarchists and revolutionaries. His dialectics were invented by Hegel, the official philosopher of the Prussian state.

hanelyp · Post by **hanelyp** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:08 am

Diogenes wrote:They are unaware of the mountain of dead people that lie as testament to what happens when socialistic ideas are implemented.

Maybe some of them still believe the tripe that all will be paradise once a few bad guys (the wealthy and those that resist the new order) are purged, and the wealth evenly distributed.

MSimon · Post by **MSimon** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:59 am

Skipjack wrote:Not everyone is up to something sinister all the time, people!

Prove it.

Diogenes · Post by **Diogenes** » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:24 am

Down to -50C: Russians freeze to death as strongest-in-decades winter hits

Russia is enduring its harshest winter in over 70 years, with temperatures plunging as low as -50 degrees Celsius. Dozens of people have already died, and almost 150 have been hospitalized.

The country has not witnessed such a long cold spell since 1938, meteorologists said, with temperatures 10 to 15 degrees lower than the seasonal norm all over Russia.

http://rt.com/news/russia-freeze-cold-temperature-379/

KitemanSA · Post by **KitemanSA** » Thu Dec 20, 2012 5:06 am

So we are back to "oncoming ice age"?

choff · Post by **choff** » Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:58 am

I have no difficulty with the idea the climate is changing, I have a hard time believing that humans have much to do with it. Even if we did, the worst thing we could do is waste money trying to reverse it, better spent helping people adapt.

ladajo · Post by **ladajo** » Thu Dec 20, 2012 1:41 pm

One of the ironies for me with Russia and the revolution is that (as I am guessing a number of you do not really know) we had two expeditionary forces fighting in Russia (one in the Northwest, one in the East) supporting the the anti-Bolshevik "Whites". These forces, along with Allied partners stayed in place and fought even after the 11/11/11 European Armistice. The Russian "Whites" came pretty close to winning against the Bolsheviks, but due to less than stellar commitments and coordination by the Allied forces in Russia, they came up just short. If we had committed then just a couple of divisions (of the 150 or so fighting in Europe), there is a pretty strong arugment we would have given enough juice to the Whites to win the whole thing. One must wonder about how things would have turned out in the 60 years had we been truly serious then.

Here is a link I googled up to further your knowledge if you are curious:
http://www.criticalenquiry.org/history/polarbear.shtml

Beh.

choff · Post by **choff** » Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:08 pm

If Wall St. and The City hadn't been providing 10 dollars in aid to the Reds for every dollar they gave to the Whites it would have sealed the deal. There was a third Russian army called The Greens (disaffected Reds) that you never hear about.

Remember 'Darkness at Noon,' everyone in the west was amazed at how the show trials could get such fantastic confessions from top communists, mostly it was because they simply told the truth in court.