10KW LENR demonstrator (new thread)

Betruger · Post by **Betruger** » Mon Nov 05, 2012 6:58 am

Answer the original question.. How do you figure you are more of an authority than e.g. R.L.Hirsch? Or do you pretend that he is more likely than not corrupt enough to have let the review board give Polywell an undeserved positive evaluation?

That is the burden on your assertions Joseph. Polywell chronology is not such that this and other events leave so much doubt about the credibility of the polywell that your specific skepticism is more credible than Bussard & co's word so far. They haven't exactly been serving up any Kool-Aid. The FOIA fuss is IMO the only malus on their record. Nebel's departure is so far only a potential symptom of serious problems for Polywell as a useful energy source.

Joseph Chikva · Post by **Joseph Chikva** » Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:17 am

Betruger wrote:Answer the original question.. How do you figure you are more of an authority than e.g. R.L.Hirsch?

Please, do not press me with names.
I am asking rational questions and nobody can answer on them. Hirsch or another persons, even Jesus (as we mentioned him) can not alter the Laws of Nature.
We can assume a lot of options why board is still favorable to Polywell:
more likely is for covering of their (Hirsch or any others) previous mistake.
Let's talk about physics and not about bureaucracy.

Joseph Chikva · Post by **Joseph Chikva** » Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:22 am

rcain wrote:
Joseph Chikva wrote:...
Would you like this in another thread?
Probably a good idea. (although i was quite enjoying spoiling the Rossi thread). Would you mind doing the honours?

I placed an answer in a new thread in Theory" section: viewtopic.php?p=92695#92695

KitemanSA · Post by **KitemanSA** » Mon Nov 05, 2012 1:05 pm

Joseph Chikva wrote:
Betruger wrote:Answer the original question.. How do you figure you are more of an authority than e.g. R.L.Hirsch?
Please, do not press me with names.
I am asking rational questions and nobody can answer on them.

Folks, how can anyone answer His questions when he refuses to hear the answers? He plugs his ears and asks the same questions over and over.

Please stop feeding the troll!

Joseph Chikva · Post by **Joseph Chikva** » Mon Nov 05, 2012 1:09 pm

KitemanSA wrote:
Joseph Chikva wrote:
Betruger wrote:Answer the original question.. How do you figure you are more of an authority than e.g. R.L.Hirsch?
Please, do not press me with names.
I am asking rational questions and nobody can answer on them.
How can anyone answer YOUR questions when you refuse to hear the answers?

Not truth. If as answer you are not considering: "Polywell is not a beam machine".
Then appeared that Jesus (Dr. Nebel) wrote a paper about electron-electron two-stream-instability and, so, Polywell became a beam-plasma machine.

Please, don't feed a troll.

Betruger · Post by **Betruger** » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:09 am

Ok Joseph. Good luck.

cg66 · Post by **cg66** » Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:29 am

Here is a group doing a Celani replication - only thing they got from Celani is some of his prepared wire. They are doing calibration now - would be curious to hear if anyone (tomclarke

) sees any holes in their methodology.
http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/re ... gress-blog

parallel · Post by **parallel** » Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:35 pm

I read some company is even making a kit for people that want to replicate Celani.
tonclarke wouldn't believe anomalous heat even if he did the experiment himself

parallel · Post by **parallel** » Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:42 pm

Theories of Low Energy Nuclear Transmutations.
Employing concrete examples from nuclear physics it is shown that low energy nuclear reactions can and have been induced by all of the four fundamental interactions (i) (stellar) gravitational, (ii) strong, (iii) electromagnetic and (iv) weak. Differences are highlighted through the great diversity in the rates and similarity through the nature of the nuclear reactions initiated by each.

http://arxiv.org/abs/1211.0924

parallel · Post by **parallel** » Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:57 pm

Jed Rothwell writes:

Cold fusion has been replicated in over 200 major laboratories, often at
high signal to noise ratios. For example, tritium has been measured at
millions of times background. I have a collection of 1,200 peer-reviewed
journal papers on cold fusion, copied from the library at Los Alamos, and
2,000 other papers published Los Alamos, China Lake, the NRL, Mitsubishi,
the NSF and various other mainstream organizations. This literature proves
beyond question that cold fusion is real. You will find the bibliography
and hundreds of full-text papers here:

http://lenr-canr.org/

Stubby · Post by **Stubby** » Tue Nov 06, 2012 2:28 pm

Wow cold fusion is real. Explains why we are all driving electric cars, oh wait...

show us a power plant based on cold fusion. They have had a lot of time now to commercialize cold fusion if it works. Where are the power plants?

parallel · Post by **parallel** » Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:11 pm

Stubby,

show us a power plant based on cold fusion. They have had a lot of time now to commercialize cold fusion if it works. Where are the power plants?

They've only had half a century and $200 billion on hot fusion why should cold fusion, privately funded, be less than a year? Nobody here knows if a 1 MW plant is already running. Rossi has no obligation to show it to you.

If your need to know is that great, you can always attempt to buy one and let us know the results. They are for sale now. If you demonstrated that you were a serious customer I expect Rossi would arrange a demo for you.

Stubby · Post by **Stubby** » Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:33 pm

My reply is not specific to rossi, your demi-god
You provided a link to pro-cold fusion site indicating that it works and that there are thousands of peer reviewed papers that support the theory.
If lenr are viable and proven to work as indicated by this site
Where are the powerplants?

GIThruster · Post by **GIThruster** » Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:43 pm

This is the same position that NASA has taken--that there is obviously something real about the LENR field based upon the hundreds of positive claims over decades. They don't propose to know what is real about it. They don't have a working theory for it. They in fact have an official position that none of the theories to date about it are correct. I'm sure though, were an official NASA spokesman to be faced with the question "then where are the power plants?" he would ignore it as the hopelessly idiotic rhetoric that it is.

paperburn1 · Post by **paperburn1** » Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:57 pm

Stubby wrote:Wow cold fusion is real. Explains why we are all driving electric cars, oh wait...

show us a power plant based on cold fusion. They have had a lot of time now to commercialize cold fusion if it works. Where are the power plants?

Real and commercially viable are two different things I am still undecided if it's real or not.