Are the Uniforms getting Darker?

[Diogenes]

To be sure, it is the German Acting Stupid Atheists that seem to be at the root of most of this stuff... The worst you have to fear from the Christians is being preached at and bored to death.

Who signed the patriot act into law again?
IIRC, both conservative republicans and democrats signed the NDAA in equal agreement. The only ones against it were the libertarians like Ron Paul.

George Bush did a lot of stupid things. Moderate Republicans always do. It was the Democrats though, who insisted on Federalizing the Airport Security so they could add another Union Constituency to their voter rolls. Democrats insisted on creating the TSA.

Of the two bits of stupidity, I would say George Bush's is the lesser.

[Diogenes]

Republicans are far from being fascists.

Democrats are not. Both in tactics and intent, they are the closest thing to Fascists I have ever seen in power in America. Especially this criminal from Chicago. They are even borrowing some of the Fascist propaganda from history.

[seedload]

Republicans are far from being fascists.

Democrats are not. Both in tactics and intent, they are the closest thing to Fascists I have ever seen in power in America. Especially this criminal from Chicago. They are even borrowing some of the Fascist propaganda from history.

Democrats are not fascists either.

I am not sure how you justify calling Democrats fascists by referencing and article that calls them socialists.

[DeltaV]

A wise teacher in elementary school taught us that the political spectrum is really a circle, with the tips of the left (International Socialist = Communist) and the right (National Socialist = Fascist) wings touching, both wings being connected to the same turkey.

That's why Hitler and Stalin were initially allies.

[Diogenes]

Republicans are far from being fascists.

Democrats are not. Both in tactics and intent, they are the closest thing to Fascists I have ever seen in power in America. Especially this criminal from Chicago. They are even borrowing some of the Fascist propaganda from history.

Democrats are not fascists either.

I am not sure how you justify calling Democrats fascists by referencing and article that calls them socialists.

I often make the mistake of assuming that people with whom I am discussing an issue are as informed as am I. Fascism, Communism, National Socialism, and Socialism are all different descriptions for pretty much the same thing.

The only slight difference between Fascism and Socialism/Communism is that the Fascists permit their Cronies to continue to run their own large business empires. In Actual Socialism/Communism, they appoint government bureaucrat cronies to run these businesses.

And Yes, Democrats are very close to being Fascists. They have their own brownshirt squads, they have their union goons, they have their industrial crony buddies, and they have control of the propaganda apparatus.





You really should look into the long and evil history of the Democrat party. They have been evil since their very beginning with Andrew Jackson.

[ScottL]

To be sure, it is the German Acting Stupid Atheists that seem to be at the root of most of this stuff... The worst you have to fear from the Christians is being preached at and bored to death.

Who signed the patriot act into law again?
IIRC, both conservative republicans and democrats signed the NDAA in equal agreement. The only ones against it were the libertarians like Ron Paul.

George Bush did a lot of stupid things. Moderate Republicans always do. It was the Democrats though, who insisted on Federalizing the Airport Security so they could add another Union Constituency to their voter rolls. Democrats insisted on creating the TSA.

Of the two bits of stupidity, I would say George Bush's is the lesser.

I disagree, I think the Patriot Act was a far greater attack on our freedoms vs TSA's entering streets around airports. I dislike both, but one effects me constantly and the other is (for now) a minor inconvenience. I'm fearful of what becomes federal law more now than I am of what amounts to a low-wage militia.

[ScottL]

I often make the mistake of assuming that people with whom I am discussing an issue are as informed as am I. Fascism, Communism, National Socialism, and Socialism are all different descriptions for pretty much the same thing.

The only slight difference between Fascism and Socialism/Communism is that the Fascists permit their Cronies to continue to run their own large business empires. In Actual Socialism/Communism, they appoint government bureaucrat cronies to run these businesses.

Oh and Republicans would NEVER support corporate control of markets because they're sooooo whole-some. Get off your high horse there champ, you know full well the Republican party is funded by major corporate investors with big pockets. They do the same exact thing, they just give it a different name and this is why there is a 2 party system to balance the 2 out so they don't flip to the wrong side of the circle.

[seedload]

Democrats are not. Both in tactics and intent, they are the closest thing to Fascists I have ever seen in power in America. Especially this criminal from Chicago. They are even borrowing some of the Fascist propaganda from history.

Democrats are not fascists either.

I am not sure how you justify calling Democrats fascists by referencing and article that calls them socialists.

I often make the mistake of assuming that people with whom I am discussing an issue are as informed as am I. Fascism, Communism, National Socialism, and Socialism are all different descriptions for pretty much the same thing.

The only slight difference between Fascism and Socialism/Communism is that the Fascists permit their Cronies to continue to run their own large business empires. In Actual Socialism/Communism, they appoint government bureaucrat cronies to run these businesses.

And Yes, Democrats are very close to being Fascists. They have their own brownshirt squads, they have their union goons, they have their industrial crony buddies, and they have control of the propaganda apparatus.

You really should look into the long and evil history of the Democrat party. They have been evil since their very beginning with Andrew Jackson.

Your simply redefining the meaning of fascism doesn't make you right.

[Diogenes]

A wise teacher in elementary school taught us that the political spectrum is really a circle, with the tips of the left (International Socialist = Communist) and the right (National Socialist = Fascist) wings touching, both wings being connected to the same turkey.

That's why Hitler and Stalin were initially allies.

I am impressed with the writing I have seen from you elsewhere which discusses the technical merits of some piece of technology or other, but on this I think you are off base.

I could recommend a number of books for you to read which would show that both the communists and the fascists are left wing, and the animosity between them was a case of sibling rivalry.

The Connection between the Nazional Sozialistische Deutsche Arbeiter Partei and the Communists is quite strong. The Reason the Official Nazi flag had a Red background was because they were originally made from Communist flags which subsequently had a Swastika sewn over the Hammer and Crescent.

[Diogenes]

I often make the mistake of assuming that people with whom I am discussing an issue are as informed as am I. Fascism, Communism, National Socialism, and Socialism are all different descriptions for pretty much the same thing.

The only slight difference between Fascism and Socialism/Communism is that the Fascists permit their Cronies to continue to run their own large business empires. In Actual Socialism/Communism, they appoint government bureaucrat cronies to run these businesses.

Oh and Republicans would NEVER support corporate control of markets because they're sooooo whole-some.

Not at all. Of course the Establishment Republicans support crony capitalism. It is why they need to be rooted out of the system as well. Even well meaning and newly elected Republican members of the House and Senate start out intending corruption reform, but after so many years of little progress, the Mindset of Washington D.C. eats them alive.

Get off your high horse there champ, you know full well the Republican party is funded by major corporate investors with big pockets. They do the same exact thing, they just give it a different name and this is why there is a 2 party system to balance the 2 out so they don't flip to the wrong side of the circle.

I have no issues with Corporations funding political campaigns, what I have a problem with is the occurrence of influence buying as a result of it. I would like to see election of Senators returned to the State Legislatures, (as our constitution was originally written) so as to preclude the value of campaign contributions.

Anyway, Republicans in Principle believe in a free market. Democrats, in principle do not. Where we are having a problem is that Democrats in office act on their principles, while Republicans in office often act against the stated principles of their party.

It's why we need to root out the Flexible principles Moderate/Establishment types, and term limit people before they get a chance to spoil.

[Diogenes]

The only slight difference between Fascism and Socialism/Communism is that the Fascists permit their Cronies to continue to run their own large business empires. In Actual Socialism/Communism, they appoint government bureaucrat cronies to run these businesses.

Your simply redefining the meaning of fascism doesn't make you right.

I don't see as how i've redefined it, but I welcome you to correct me. Pray tell, how are Socialism/Communism different from Fascism?

[ScottL]

Not at all. Of course the Establishment Republicans support crony capitalism. It is why they need to be rooted out of the system as well. Even well meaning and newly elected Republican members of the House and Senate start out intending corruption reform, but after so many years of little progress, the Mindset of Washington D.C. eats them alive.

This is largely how many of us left leaning view the new Democrats in the sense that they enter with ideals and leave with money bags and broken spirits.

I have no issues with Corporations funding political campaigns, what I have a problem with is the occurrence of influence buying as a result of it. I would like to see election of Senators returned to the State Legislatures, (as our constitution was originally written) so as to preclude the value of campaign contributions.

Anyway, Republicans in Principle believe in a free market. Democrats, in principle do not. Where we are having a problem is that Democrats in office act on their principles, while Republicans in office often act against the stated principles of their party.

I have issue with corporate funding of political campaigns as now the candidate is owned or owes the corporation, money corrupts. As for free markets, neither party believes in a free-for-all market, but they definitely believe in free markets. The major difference here is regulation and how much gets applied. Regulation isn't a novel idea and I think the approach of assuming people and corporations will try to game the system are only logical. Based on this assumption, regulations should be in place to prevent this sort of behavior. Furthermore, we shouldn't excuse bad behavior simply because we didn't catch it in time. I'd be all for retro-active regulation enforcement when it is shown that an entity has willfully gamed the system in their favor.

[Skipjack]

Fascism, Communism, National Socialism, and Socialism are all different descriptions for pretty much the same thing.

No, they are not, they are not, they are not.

[Skipjack]

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[Ivy Matt]

A wise teacher in elementary school taught us that the political spectrum is really a circle, with the tips of the left (International Socialist = Communist) and the right (National Socialist = Fascist) wings touching, both wings being connected to the same turkey.

That's why Hitler and Stalin were initially allies.

Of course, in practice, the "International" Socialists were also National Socialists. (Well, I guess you could say the Soviets were "Imperial" Socialists, so in that sense they were "International").

However, what I learned in a college course was that Hitler was a moderate. That is to say, that in 1930s Germany the Nazis were seen as a middle road between the tired old aristocracy and the increasingly popular Marxists. Also, the Nazis touted their National Socialist ideology as a German middle road between the "International Capitalism" of Western Europe and the "International Socialism" of the Soviet Union.