portrait of an enemy

[MSimon]

seedload,

Funny. You don't seem to have that attitude towards water addicts or food addicts or air addicts. Perhaps it is because you share their addiction.

Sounding more and more diagnosable each day, Simon. You need to see a doctor and take an MMPI. You're losing your grip on reality.

Ah. So I am crumbling YOUR reality and it makes you nervous? Heh.

[seedload]

seedload,

Funny. You don't seem to have that attitude towards water addicts or food addicts or air addicts. Perhaps it is because you share their addiction.

Our society these days seems to have a lot of people looking for reasons to hate and punish. It will not end well.

And I'm sure you can find "science" that will back up your "reasons". The Nazis were very scientific that way too. Not to worry. The "science" and "reasons" are in the process of falling apart. Your view of the world will one day seem as quaint and as disgusting as the views of the Nazis. My condolences.

All our religions (in America - for the most part) preach mercy. And yet significant parts of our community claiming adherence to the religions of mercy are having none of it. They reject their own God. And if you believe the testimony handed down God has a way of punishing such people. I do hope you get the mercy you have been unwilling to show others.

MSimon,

I am not sure what you mean by my "attitude" towards drug users. I don't think stating that active addicts are selfish and intolerable is any great revelation to anyone who has known and cared for an addict. On the other hand, I also have known and met a huge number of sober addicts and they are often really great people. How you let your mind travel from my calling a spade a spade to me not having mercy for people caught in the terrible cycle of addiction is beyond me. How you could think that I am unwilling to show others mercy and help them is also incomprehensible. Why you would think that my opposition to drug legalization is a demonstration of a lack of mercy towards addicts is equally confusing. Anyone who has legitimately cared for an helped an addict would not think that ignoring and enabling their addiction was some how more merciful than not tolerating it.

That said, my attitude is a lot different than you assume. Drug addiction is punishment enough - to the addict and to everyone around them. I am not a fan of excessive punishment for drug users. It makes little sense. But that is far from being a proponent of legalization.

Now, regarding religion and showing mercy for addiction:

Almost every AA and NA and Al-Alon meeting in the country is held in donated spaces within churches. No mercy?!? WTF are you talking about? People get better in those spaces! You are blind if you think that religion has no mercy towards addicts.

[MSimon]

I don't think stating that active addicts are selfish and intolerable is any great revelation to anyone who has known and cared for an addict.

Jews had the same reputation for centuries. Care to explain the parallel representation of the two populations?

Might it have to do with the persecutions? And the price?

BTW Dr. Marks in England got different results by providing addicts with a steady supply of drugs.

So let me ask. Have you studied a population of addicts pre and post prohibition? So you could tell if it was the drugs or the prohibition that made the difference? Because if it wasn't the drugs then the solution is obvious. If it was the drugs then the solution is not so obvious because prohibition doesn't seem to be able to stop the flows. Especially with the CIA guarding the Afghan poppy fields.

Funds CIA Black Ops: Do you ever wonder where the U.S. government gets all that money for their secret "Black Ops" like underground bases, secret wars, corporate takeovers and seed money, etc? It's been proven over and over that the CIA (and Pentagon) controls a large majority of the illicit drug trade either directly or indirectly through proxies mentioned above. They've been caught in the act of shipping in massive amounts of cocaine, while the CIA now openly admits to protecting and facilitating the opium trade in Afghanistan. If it wasn't for this tremendous profit, the CIA would not be able to build their secret shadow government.

http://www.activistpost.com/2011/12/10- ... ccess.html

I'm curious to know what you intend to do about the CIA dealing drugs? Because you will never win a drug war with that going on. It is futile to even try. A waste of money.

And given that Thomas Jefferson grew opium what are the chances of winning that war if cross border supplies become sufficiently restricted?

I look forward to your answers. They should be good ones.

[seedload]

I don't think stating that active addicts are selfish and intolerable is any great revelation to anyone who has known and cared for an addict.

Jews had the same reputation for centuries. Care to explain the parallel representation of the two populations?

Sure. Jews were unfairly represented. Addicts are fairly represented. Any perception of similarity in representation is coincidence.

Might it have to do with the persecutions? And the price?

No, not according to lots of recovering addicts.

BTW Dr. Marks in England got different results by providing addicts with a steady supply of drugs.

Again, you have moved from advocating for legalization to advocating for use. Sad really.

And given that Thomas Jefferson grew opium what are the chances of winning that war if cross border supplies become sufficiently restricted?

Thomas Jefferson also owned slaves. It is possible that Thomas Jefferson was wrong on some matters.

Ignoring the CIA stuff. Sometimes you go too many directions for my mind to keep up.

[MSimon]

Again, you have moved from advocating for legalization to advocating for use. Sad really.

Only for those that want it. Dr. Marks did not force opiates on anyone. You might want to actually study the matter before opining. Or is spouting off your ignorance a general norm for you?

But back to the future.

How do you intend to make prohibition work with the CIA protecting opium supplies and running drugs?

From: http://www.activistpost.com/2011/12/10- ... ccess.html

Funds CIA Black Ops: Do you ever wonder where the U.S. government gets all that money for their secret “Black Ops” like underground bases, secret wars, corporate takeovers and seed money, etc? It’s been proven over and over that the CIA (and Pentagon) controls a large majority of the illicit drug trade either directly or indirectly through proxies mentioned above. They’ve been caught in the act of shipping in massive amounts of cocaine, while the CIA now openly admits to protecting and facilitating the opium trade in Afghanistan. If it wasn’t for this tremendous profit, the CIA would not be able to build their secret shadow government.

I look forward to your answer on that one. It should provide endless amusement.

[seedload]

How do you intend to make prohibition work with the CIA protecting opium supplies and running drugs?

From: http://www.activistpost.com/2011/12/10- ... ccess.html

Funds CIA Black Ops: Do you ever wonder where the U.S. government gets all that money for their secret “Black Ops” like underground bases, secret wars, corporate takeovers and seed money, etc? It’s been proven over and over that the CIA (and Pentagon) controls a large majority of the illicit drug trade either directly or indirectly through proxies mentioned above. They’ve been caught in the act of shipping in massive amounts of cocaine, while the CIA now openly admits to protecting and facilitating the opium trade in Afghanistan. If it wasn’t for this tremendous profit, the CIA would not be able to build their secret shadow government.

I look forward to your answer on that one. It should provide endless amusement.

I would first have to buy into the premise that the CIA funds its operations by trafficking drugs and second believe that it was right for the CIA to do so before your attempt at a trap question could be effective.

I don't believe that the CIA should traffic drugs.

[MSimon]

How do you intend to make prohibition work with the CIA protecting opium supplies and running drugs?

From: http://www.activistpost.com/2011/12/10- ... ccess.html

Funds CIA Black Ops: Do you ever wonder where the U.S. government gets all that money for their secret “Black Ops” like underground bases, secret wars, corporate takeovers and seed money, etc? It’s been proven over and over that the CIA (and Pentagon) controls a large majority of the illicit drug trade either directly or indirectly through proxies mentioned above. They’ve been caught in the act of shipping in massive amounts of cocaine, while the CIA now openly admits to protecting and facilitating the opium trade in Afghanistan. If it wasn’t for this tremendous profit, the CIA would not be able to build their secret shadow government.

I look forward to your answer on that one. It should provide endless amusement.

I would first have to buy into the premise that the CIA funds its operations by trafficking drugs and second believe that it was right for the CIA to do so before your attempt at a trap question could be effective.

I don't believe that the CIA should traffic drugs.

I have presented numerous links on the subject. And then there is Google. You mean on such a serious subject you haven't checked it out?

I'm shocked.

Let me know when you have done some research and then get back to me. I'm always interested in discussing things.

I will give you a hint though. Your government has been lying to you. Another shocker. To be sure.

[GIThruster]

Don't be concerned, seedload; that Simon is directing you to research this or that. He does this constantly with everyone. Best is just ignore him. He doesn't understand it that he doesn't get to direct all those around him, nor that he is alone in his ability to research any little thing that pops into his head, because he is busy with nothing, except smoking dope and blogging.

[MSimon]

Don't be concerned, seedload; that Simon is directing you to research this or that. He does this constantly with everyone. Best is just ignore him. He doesn't understand it that he doesn't get to direct all those around him, nor that he is alone in his ability to research any little thing that pops into his head, because he is busy with nothing, except smoking dope and blogging.

Afraid of what you will find out? If I held your position I'd be afraid too.

[choff]

Actually, a lot of people believe the CIA runs drugs, one section in isolation from the rest of it, but never the less. While I don't believe in legalization, Mike has pointed out legitimate problems with the current system of enforcement, to say nothing of the real threat posed to democracy itself.

Apparently the drug cartels in Mexico are having staffing problems, traditional male roles are increasingly being taken up by women. This may or may not mark a turning point, still a very long way from victory.

[GIThruster]

While I will always accept that democracy is a fragile thing, unsubstantiated claims about the CIA running drugs hardly comprises a threat. Seriously, if there were any credible evidence of the CIA running drugs, we would not be hearing about if from a crazed and obsessed druggie like Simon. It would be splashed across every news service worldwide.

Sometimes you don't need to do the research. You can just use common sense. If you want to waste your time clicking on all the links Simon puts up, that's up to you. I certainly don't have that kind of time to throw away.

[MSimon]

Actually, a lot of people believe the CIA runs drugs, one section in isolation from the rest of it, but never the less. While I don't believe in legalization, Mike has pointed out legitimate problems with the current system of enforcement, to say nothing of the real threat posed to democracy itself.

Apparently the drug cartels in Mexico are having staffing problems, traditional male roles are increasingly being taken up by women. This may or may not mark a turning point, still a very long way from victory.

Winning? Hardly. The war can't be won until the US government stops running drugs.

From another thread:

Explain how drugs can be eradicated from America if the CIA is importing them at the same time DEA is fighting them? Or maybe it is just a ploy to maintain the DEA budget. Or maybe the job of the DEA is to eliminate the CIA's competition. As is happening in Mexico re: the Sinaloa vs Zeta Wars. You are familiar with those wars and the side the CIA is backing are you not? Well Google is your friend. You might want to try it some time.

You would be amazed at what you can learn if you actually wanted to learn something.

And if you want to dig deeper look into - "Agenda 21" drug prohibition - it might clear that film of what ever it is covering your eyes. I know this will come as a complete surprise but your government is lying to you. Who ever would have expected that?

Another fun topic - drug running by the CIA - have a look at the Mike Ruppert video. That is a fun one.

I am always amused by experts on the subject who know nothing about it. Say. You might want to try - PTSD heroin - just to see if I'm giving you the Bravo Sierra. You can fact check my a$$. I welcome it.

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I'm not a difficult guy. I'll give you some links:

Drug Running by the government an ex-narcotics investigator speaks:
Mike Ruppert - CIA and Drug Running
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 4250484369

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In 1998 the CIA finally admitted to its involvement in drug trafficking in the United States after years of federal investigation by the Kerry Congressional Committee. What the CIA admitted to was allowing cocaine trafficking to take place by Contras who were being supported by the CIA, using facilities and resources supplied by the US government, and preventing investigation into these activities by other agencies.

http://rationalrevolution.net/war/cia_d ... reagan.htm

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ0EVf_AFM0

China operations and Afghanistan. Air America.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADTbYLUE ... re=related

CIA - Mike Wallace - Morely Safer

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Oliver North's Notebook And Drug Trafficking (Former DEA Agent Mike Levine)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHYNz8AZ1jk

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Air America

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You can of course do your own research. If you dare.

[MSimon]

The Politics of Heroin first published in 1972

http://druglibrary.eu/library/books/McCoy/mccoy.pdf

[MSimon]

Cocaine Politics: Drugs, Armies, and the CIA in Central America, Updated Edition

[MSimon]

Whiteout: The CIA, Drugs and the Press

You know with all the documentation I have posted I do not believe it is an isolated section of the CIA.

And I have only scratched the surface.