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How do you feel about Rohypnol?


I assume you believe it should be legally available to anyone.
It is available with prescription in Austria. Funny thing the combination of Rohypnol and alcohol is called Wiener Mischung (Vienna mix) here ;)

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Diogenes wrote:That's it for now. I'm not going to bother with the rest of your message, because I literally don't have the time it would take to inform you of the entire extent of your ignorance and fallacious knowledge.

You've got a lot to learn, and a lot to unlearn.
Thats good since I am not going to bother with your post at all. You are a borderline delusional hopelessly biased idealogue, who would probaby have happily had Reagan's baby if it were anatomically possible.

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williatw wrote:
Diogenes wrote:That's it for now. I'm not going to bother with the rest of your message, because I literally don't have the time it would take to inform you of the entire extent of your ignorance and fallacious knowledge.

You've got a lot to learn, and a lot to unlearn.
Thats good since I am not going to bother with your post at all. You are a borderline delusional hopelessly biased idealogue, who would probaby have happily had Reagan's baby if it were anatomically possible.

Just as well. I have long suspected that you had not the mental acuity to grasp it anyway. You've been tested and found wanting.

Back to the herd with you!
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Diogenes wrote:
williatw wrote:
Diogenes wrote:That's it for now. I'm not going to bother with the rest of your message, because I literally don't have the time it would take to inform you of the entire extent of your ignorance and fallacious knowledge.

You've got a lot to learn, and a lot to unlearn.
Thats good since I am not going to bother with your post at all. You are a borderline delusional hopelessly biased idealogue, who would probaby have happily had Reagan's baby if it were anatomically possible.

Just as well. I have long suspected that you had not the mental acuity to grasp it anyway. You've been tested and found wanting.

Back to the herd with you!
Tested and found wanting? By a deluded senile pre-Alzheimer’s old fool?
WW3 in 1948, would have been better since it would have been "easier" since our enemies would have been weaker. Of course the war weary populations of the World who would doubtlessly have suffered 10's of millions more death and untold destruction would have disagreed, but like the 50K Mexicans and many more Columbians killed in the war on drugs who cares what they think.

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MSimon wrote:D,

Funny that Drugs did not start attacking the nation until they were outlawed Federally in 1914. It wonders me how we survived hundreds of years of "attacks" before we made the laws.

You once again have the cart before the horse. The Government moved to outlaw them AFTER they started becoming a serious problem.

Think about it. Why would they make a law about something which was causing absolutely no trouble?




MSimon wrote: How did we allow opium user Franklin and opium grower Jefferson to found a nation based on Liberty?

The one thing is irrelevant to the other.



MSimon wrote: When did Alcohol begin attacking the nation? From the very beginning. The attacks only became unweatherable when alcohol was outlawed.
Apparently not. A lot of people were getting hurt by it BEFORE it was outlawed. Remember the guy who was central to the prohibition movement was motivated by the fact he had been stabbed by a drunken neighbor.



MSimon wrote: And what does enabling the idea of prohibition get you? A thousand prohibitions from the left.

You need to say this in English. I can't understand what you are getting at.

MSimon wrote: You have no objection to the ideas of the left. Only the areas in which they are applied.
Again, you are talking past me. I have no idea what you are trying to say. I have quite great objections to the ideas of the left.

MSimon wrote:
A very weak reed. Because you can't stand on principle - "no prohibition" but can only argue the merits of individual cases.

Ah, I think I see the problem. You still think that stopping dangerous drugs from destroying people is infringing upon the liberty of the users, while I think it is the ordinary responsibility of any normal government.

Your arguments are very like legal contracts. They are invalid for illegal acts.

MSimon wrote: And that means your liberty depends on the will/whim of the electorate. You have now given up the Republic and are living in a Democracy. Are you having fun yet?

Your arguments imply that VX Nerve Gas ought to be legal for people to own and use.
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williatw wrote:
Diogenes wrote:
williatw wrote: Thats good since I am not going to bother with your post at all. You are a borderline delusional hopelessly biased idealogue, who would probaby have happily had Reagan's baby if it were anatomically possible.

Just as well. I have long suspected that you had not the mental acuity to grasp it anyway. You've been tested and found wanting.

Back to the herd with you!
Tested and found wanting? By a deluded senile pre-Alzheimer’s old fool?
WW3 in 1948, would have been better since it would have been "easier" since our enemies would have been weaker. Of course the war weary populations of the World who would doubtlessly have suffered 10's of millions more death and untold destruction would have disagreed, but like the 50K Mexicans and many more Columbians killed in the war on drugs who cares what they think.

I thought you were going away? This was the best Idea i've seen from you yet, and you can't even get that right.
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williatw wrote:
Diogenes wrote:
williatw wrote: Fat chance Diogenes I couldn't afford the necessary surgery on my health insurance. The one where they stick that tube in my ear suck out half my brain and replace it with bovine excrement.

Why should you need something done twice? What you need now is a bullshitectomy which I am trying to give you if you will just hold still. This may hurt a bit. :)
Diogenes wrote:There is an optimal position in the relationship between government and men, and that is the conservative position.
That is borderline delusional...but what do you expect from "Reagan was the best president since washington", oh please you so think he was better that washington..you think he was the greatest thing ever in the history of the world.

No, Washington was the Greatest President. Were it not for his Genius and selfless acts, we would not even be an independent country. We would not have developed that Independent American spirit. We would be more of a socialist wasteland, along the lines of Canada. :) (Just Joking Choff)


No, in the litany of Great President's it's pretty much Washington #1, Reagan #2. I can't think of any President's in between that accomplished anything as remotely beneficial to the nation as did these two.

I suppose Jefferson and Madison would probably have to be #3 and #4.
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MSimon wrote:
Everyone knows it was WWII that got us out of the Great Depression
That is only true in the sense that FDR was forced to take as many fetters off business as he could. He needed the production. The other side effects of the war helped, but that was the main one.

I hope we don't need a WW to do the same.

An argument I have been making for decades is this.

You take any group of people among which some own property and some do not. You kill some significant quantity of them, the remainder divies up the remaining property. All survivors are better off financially. Other people have thought of this as well.


Now we don't just explode a bomb in the center of the city and say bye-bye. Believe it or not that won't do any real good. Initiate a 1 megaton device over the center of London and 95 percent of the cities assets and 80 percent of the population will survive (this means that, proportionally speaking, Londoners will be better off after a nuclear attack than they were before it took place. This was the basis of at least one Get Rich Quick scheme proposed in The Business).

After World War II, the Deaths of nearly 1% of the male population left opportunities and property for the remaining population. Not only that, but as the infrastructure in the rest of the world had been bombed to smithereens, the post war contracts for produced goods and services mostly went to the only big nation left with intact production facilities.

When you are the only game on the planet, it's hard not to become economically successful. (Despite having had a Roosevelt screwing things up.)
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Post by Diogenes »

WizWom wrote:It is a horrid fallacy, and one touted by the left and right, that WWII ended the great depression.
The depression did not end until '47 - after the wartime limits were removed, and production returned to things people wanted, rather than being wasted on blowing other peoples things up.

The causality is a little vague, but yeah. A more accurate statement would be the Post war boom, but it's just easier to say the war ended the economic problems.
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Diogenes wrote:
MSimon wrote:
Conservative philosophy recognizes the flaws in mankind, and doesn't presume that they can change them.
Well no wonder you support substance prohibitions.

How do you feel about Rohypnol?

I assume you believe it should be legally available to anyone.
I haven't had any experience with Rohypnol but rumor has it that alcohol works about as well and it is legal.

BTW people drugging others without their knowledge should be strung up. It is a violation of Liberty.
Engineering is the art of making what you want from what you can get at a profit.

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An argument I have been making for decades is this.

You take any group of people among which some own property and some do not. You kill some significant quantity of them, the remainder divies up the remaining property. All survivors are better off financially. Other people have thought of this as well.
So how many do you want to kill for fun and profit, 10 million, 20 million?
And who is on your death list? Have you decided for an etnic group, or maybe a certain religious group?

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Skipjack wrote:
An argument I have been making for decades is this.

You take any group of people among which some own property and some do not. You kill some significant quantity of them, the remainder divies up the remaining property. All survivors are better off financially. Other people have thought of this as well.
So how many do you want to kill for fun and profit, 10 million, 20 million?
And who is on your death list? Have you decided for an etnic group, or maybe a certain religious group?
I'm for killing off those who covet other people's property. Especially those who plan on using government to facilitate the theft. Just deserts.
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Post by williatw »

MSimon wrote:I'm for killing off those who covet other people's property. Especially those who plan on using government to facilitate the theft. Just deserts.
Diogenes wrote: Let me go on record as saying I believe it is our Duty to prop up murderous Psychopaths when it is in the best interests of the United States.
Or maybe just killing off nutbags in general would be good for the human race.

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williatw wrote:
MSimon wrote:I'm for killing off those who covet other people's property. Especially those who plan on using government to facilitate the theft. Just deserts.
Diogenes wrote: Let me go on record as saying I believe it is our Duty to prop up murderous Psychopaths when it is in the best interests of the United States.
Or maybe just killing off nutbags in general would be good for the human race.
The trouble when you start doing that - where do you stop? Everyone's a nutbag one way or the other...
When opinion and reality conflict - guess which one is going to win in the long run.

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JLawson wrote:
williatw wrote:
MSimon wrote:I'm for killing off those who covet other people's property. Especially those who plan on using government to facilitate the theft. Just deserts.
Diogenes wrote: Let me go on record as saying I believe it is our Duty to prop up murderous Psychopaths when it is in the best interests of the United States.
Or maybe just killing off nutbags in general would be good for the human race.
The trouble when you start doing that - where do you stop? Everyone's a nutbag one way or the other...
I guess I'm near the top of that list.
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