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Diogenes wrote:
Skipjack wrote:
Infinitely smarter than that idiot he replaced, and the others that have followed him.
I would not say that Reagan was particularly smart, he simply was the right man for the right time.
I study a lot of American History. It is my opinion that the biggest screw ups among American Presidents are the so-called "intellectual geniuses." Reagan was smart enough to not think he already knew everything.

Woodrow Wilson, FDR, John Kennedy, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, and lastly Barack Obama, were all hailed as intellectuals and "geniuses", and they have made the most bone headed and destructive decisions in our History.

John Kerry would have been another one of these so-called Geniuses had he managed to get into power, and I have no illusions about the idiocy he would have unleashed upon us all.


Genius presidents? I'd rather have someone of average intelligence who isn't so full of their own sense of self importance.

Here, Here how about Joe the plumber as president? That kind of thinking gave us George Bush as prez. Personally I would rate just on the Republican side Eisenhower or even Nixon as better prez then Reagan.

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Reagan,

1. Smart - he out toughed the Soviets until they collapsed - most of the thinking at the time was accommodation

2. Dumb - he believed in the nanny state - Drug Prohibition - both as Governor and President. We are now suffering the blow back from that (have been all along actually) - Drug Cartels/Fast and Furious

BTW what most people don't know was that F&F was aimed at taking out one cartel while giving the other a pass. That is beside its use as a tool for gun control. At this point Drug Prohibition is nothing but corruption and union sinecures for Democrat Unions. Police and Prison guards.

Rumor has it that a significant part of Obama's slush funds in 2008 came from the cartels. But I have seen nothing definite. We will have no chance to find out unless Romney gets in. And maybe not even then. Too many dirty hands.
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It was basically his "baby."
I think that teller was mainly talking about observation and intelligence in regards to space, not actually shooting down warheads and was just later misquoted. If he did, then this just proofs that nuclear physicists are not automatically great at strategy, economics and space flight.
Genius presidents? I'd rather have someone of average intelligence who isn't so full of their own sense of self importance.
I think that this is a silly way of thinking. I also think that the "genius" of these people was highly overrated.
He would be the right person now. His ideas are exactly what we need now.
http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... 0523201249
Really, we need a budget deficit increase?

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Skipjack wrote:
It was basically his "baby."
I think that teller was mainly talking about observation and intelligence in regards to space, not actually shooting down warheads and was just later misquoted. If he did, then this just proofs that nuclear physicists are not automatically great at strategy, economics and space flight.
Genius presidents? I'd rather have someone of average intelligence who isn't so full of their own sense of self importance.
I think that this is a silly way of thinking. I also think that the "genius" of these people was highly overrated.
He would be the right person now. His ideas are exactly what we need now.
http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... 0523201249
Really, we need a budget deficit increase?
There are two ways to pay off debt. Increase taxes to pay down the debt. Or increase the rate of growth. The former suppresses growth. The second (while - temporarily increasing debt) increases the tax base. It all depends on where you are on the Laffer curve.

http://classicalvalues.com/2012/06/are-taxes-too-high/

Especially look at the SteveBrooklineMA link.
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Well Reagan had 8 years and his concept did not work.
What can I say?
Also Reagan increased the tax burden on the middle class to reduce the taxes for the super rich.

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Skipjack wrote:Well Reagan had 8 years and his concept did not work.
What can I say?
Also Reagan increased the tax burden on the middle class to reduce the taxes for the super rich.
Ah. But he had a Congress that would not stop new spending. You know - the opposition Party. And the Big Government Republicans were no help either.

But it looks to me like the tide will be turning this Nov. Should be interesting.
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MSimon wrote:
Skipjack wrote:Well Reagan had 8 years and his concept did not work.
What can I say?
Also Reagan increased the tax burden on the middle class to reduce the taxes for the super rich.
Ah. But he had a Congress that would not stop new spending. You know - the opposition Party. And the Big Government Republicans were no help either.

But it looks to me like the tide will be turning this Nov. Should be interesting.
Don't know but would be curious to know what you think will happen in the fall. I think Obama will still win, but I am hoping the repubs take control of the Senate and retain control of house. Then hopefully the tea-partiers will pressure the repubs to make good on their promises of big spending cuts. They hate Obama enough to do it, send a balanced budget to his desk bet he would surprise them by signing it. Also if the senate falls repub that should curb his nuttier judical appointments.

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williatw wrote:
MSimon wrote:
Skipjack wrote:Well Reagan had 8 years and his concept did not work.
What can I say?
Also Reagan increased the tax burden on the middle class to reduce the taxes for the super rich.
Ah. But he had a Congress that would not stop new spending. You know - the opposition Party. And the Big Government Republicans were no help either.

But it looks to me like the tide will be turning this Nov. Should be interesting.
Don't know but would be curious to know what you think will happen in the fall. I think Obama will still win, but I am hoping the repubs take control of the Senate and retain control of house. Then hopefully the tea-partiers will pressure the repubs to make good on their promises of big spending cuts. They hate Obama enough to do it, send a balanced budget to his desk bet he would surprise them by signing it. Also if the senate falls repub that should curb his nuttier judical appointments.
He will not win:

http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/06/2 ... -to-fight/

and

http://classicalvalues.com/2012/06/dem- ... r-dont-go/
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I think that Obama can still win the election. Not because he is so good, but because Romney is so bad.

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Skipjack wrote:I think that Obama can still win the election. Not because he is so good, but because Romney is so bad.
You have the disadvantage of distance. I'm immersed.
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MSimon wrote:
Skipjack wrote:I think that Obama can still win the election. Not because he is so good, but because Romney is so bad.
You have the disadvantage of distance. I'm immersed.
Would have to go with Skipjack think that Obama can win, though I am ambivalent about that. Checked out your links, they both seem to indicate that dems running don't want to be associated with Obama. Would agree with it, but neither say much about obama's personal prospects of re-election themselves. Romney is just not that well liked, but we will see of course. I would guess the repubs have a good chance of taking control of senate(while retaining house) maybe some governorships.

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williatw wrote:
MSimon wrote:
Skipjack wrote:I think that Obama can still win the election. Not because he is so good, but because Romney is so bad.
You have the disadvantage of distance. I'm immersed.
Would have to go with Skipjack think that Obama can win, though I am ambivalent about that. Checked out your links, they both seem to indicate that dems running don't want to be associated with Obama. Would agree with it, but neither say much about obama's personal prospects of re-election themselves. Romney is just not that well liked, but we will see of course. I would guess the repubs have a good chance of taking control of senate(while retaining house) maybe some governorships.
I'm passing this one around to keep focus and keep "our" side in line.

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I am NOT a big fan of Obama. He has done a few things that have cost him a lot of points with me. But Romney is just worse in every aspect. I wished there was a real (and I mean real) 3rd party in the US. It would have my support this time.

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Skipjack wrote:I am NOT a big fan of Obama. He has done a few things that have cost him a lot of points with me. But Romney is just worse in every aspect. I wished there was a real (and I mean real) 3rd party in the US. It would have my support this time.
Since you are not a voter...how does that really matter?
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Skipjack wrote:I am NOT a big fan of Obama. He has done a few things that have cost him a lot of points with me. But Romney is just worse in every aspect. I wished there was a real (and I mean real) 3rd party in the US. It would have my support this time.
Yeah. But that is not the question. Who can pressure him? Will he listen more to the Communist Party or the TEA Party?

The choices are bad this year. Much worse or just worse. I'm voting for worse. That will at least give the Congress Critters we elect a chance. And believe me 2012 is going to make the Democrat's loss in 2010 look like a love in. And 2010 was their worst loss (State and Federal) since 1938.
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