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The Surveilance State

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Also the 314 Americans driving electric cars today would not be paying a single cent in gas taxes. And with the prospect that electric cars could someday total as many as 1,500 or even 2,000 nationally, the cost to government of freeloading electric cars' tires running across the pavement is unimaginable.

The solution is as clear as a Rain-X windshield in a downpour. Government needs to know how many miles every single car travels every year, so a fee can be levied per mile. Like rental cars.

How you do this is clear to government as well. You put a GPS in every single motor vehicle that reports directly to government every mile you drive.

http://news.investors.com/article/61367 ... -taxes.htm
Big Brother IS Watching. AND he wishes to improve his vision. Funny thing is we have so called "conservatives" who favor the watching. As long as the government is watching the right people for the right things. A slippery slope that leads to a very bad place. And that place is:

SWAT Teams. They are not just for dopers anymore:

http://theothermccain.com/2012/06/05/fe ... -depraved/
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Of course, it is just a continuation of the tred that has been going on since 9/11 which serves as a convenient excuse for everything.
People are also so conditioned. All you have to do is say "it is for your own savety" and they will accept and do it willingly. Sheeple!
The real things and real dangers stay vastly ignored though, all the while...

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One of the first people I met and worked with in the USA was an old (for me at the time - he was 50+) polish immigrant. In his opinion most Americans nowadays only cared about two things: entertainment like Nascar or Superbowl, and extra deluxe toilet paper.
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and extra deluxe toilet paper
I have to admit that I do like "charmin" a lot ;)

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The slippery slope

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I was raised on bidets. Do we have this one hijacked yet? :)

Now to get back on topic. Something that ties in fecal freaks, surveillance, SWAT and the GOP.
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Skipjack,

You misspelled "savety". The proper spelling is "slavety".

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Re: The Surveilance State

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MSimon wrote:
How you do this is clear to government as well. You put a GPS in every single motor vehicle that reports directly to government every mile you drive.
It could be a double edged sword we could use to reduce the government. Government justifies it existence by providing services that could not be provided by private industry. I.e it would be too cumbersome to charge for road use if all the city streets were private with owner changing every cross section. Imagine all the fee collection check points... It is cheaper and better solution to collect taxes so the government builds and maintains roads.. until you can have a GPS device that can track and collect fees for road usage.
Concerned about privacy? Buy a monthly subscription for your city or state that's got to be cheaper that financing all the inefficient government bureaucracy. Going for a road trip across multiple states, buy a prepaid travel card at WalMart.

With the technology progressing even the traditional justifications for government existence such as maintaining the traffic infrastructure are no longer valid.

And think what it would do tot he traffic itself? Too high fees for some heavily used roads? Lets build another competitive highway and capture the stream of revenue. Too high fees for using roads downtown and no room to build another road? Lets move the business/home to the suburbs...

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May I see your travel paper sir, are you permited to use this road? :shock:

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paperburn1 wrote:May I see your travel paper sir, are you permited to use this road? :shock:

They already do that. It's called "insurance verification form."
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Once they get us off gasoline and all into electric cars, they're going to start jacking up the price of electricity. Just to make sure it goes up, they'll ban all the nuke plants and hydro dams, and make us use solar and wind to charge our car batteries. If they can't get you one way, they stick you another.
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choff wrote:Once they get us off gasoline and all into electric cars, they're going to start jacking up the price of electricity. Just to make sure it goes up, they'll ban all the nuke plants and hydro dams, and make us use solar and wind to charge our car batteries. If they can't get you one way, they stick you another.
Like Drug Prohibition it is "For The Children". Quit cher bitchin.

It is all explained in the last 30 seconds of this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC_ult6-Tb4
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Post by pbelter »

MSimon wrote:
It is all explained in the last 30 seconds of this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC_ult6-Tb4
It sure looks real by why did they switch the background video to show some historical figures?

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pbelter wrote:
MSimon wrote:
It is all explained in the last 30 seconds of this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC_ult6-Tb4
It sure looks real by why did they switch the background video to show some historical figures?

Humor impaired?
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It is a pretty funny video, but one wonders if a similar dialog hasn't really happened somewhere behind closed doors. That is what impairs it.

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You misspelled "savety". The proper spelling is "slavety".
I like that one!
Once they get us off gasoline and all into electric cars, they're going to start jacking up the price of electricity.
I have been thinking about this a lot as well. Here in Austria the mineral oil tax is particularly high and a big source of income for the government.
If everyone was driving electric cars, the government would have to find a new excuse to ripp people off. This is one reason why I hope that some new energy technology (be it fusion or something else) comes along that enables small communities or better individual households to have their own cheap power plants. So they can be independent of networks controlled by the government. Of course they will probably also try to introduce some form of road tax (which they already have here).
I am looking forward the excuses they are going to bring for the taxations then. Given recent trends, I would guess "security".

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