23 Million Have A Drug Problem

[MSimon]

And for 19 million of the 23 million the problem drug is alcohol.

http://letterstotheeditorblog.dallasnew ... g-war.html

We out to make that s**t illegal. That will fix it.

[ScottL]

And for 19 million of the 23 million the problem drug is alcohol.

http://letterstotheeditorblog.dallasnew ... g-war.html

We out to make that s**t illegal. That will fix it.

Prohibition 2.0: The Rebirth of the Bootlegger.

[GIThruster]

Morons make out what Morons will.

This obviously and stupidly wrong nonsense really has gone too far here at T-P. Simon, get your shit together and stop posting one thread after the next trying to convince sensible people that drugs aren't bad.

You are acting like an asshole, and you deserve a good boot up your ass.

Lets be clear--no one here gives a shit that you're a criminal and a pro-drug degenerate. You need to stop pretending that T-P is your public shouting post. All the sensible people here think you're an asshole.

STOP CREATING PRO-DRUG THREADS TO SUIT YOUR PSYCHOSIS.

[ScottL]

Morons make out what Morons will.

This obviously and stupidly wrong nonsense really has gone too far here at T-P. Simon, get your shit together and stop posting one thread after the next trying to convince sensible people that drugs aren't bad.

You are acting like an asshole, and you deserve a good boot up your ass.

Lets be clear--no one here gives a shit that you're a criminal and a pro-drug degenerate. You need to stop pretending that T-P is your public shouting post. All the sensible people here think you're an asshole.

STOP CREATING PRO-DRUG THREADS TO SUIT YOUR PSYCHOSIS.

Actually GIT, I think you just crossed the line here at T-P per the board rules. Ignoring your attacks on Simon, does this mean you're against alcohol usage or are you one of those who only protests when its inconvenient to you. I'm not promoting the legalization of all drugs, but lets face it, alcohol is a far more destructive substance with historical data to back up my claim. If it is so bad, how can you condone its' use?

Mind you, I come from a view that education on the matter will either eliminate the desire to use or at least allow for educated regulational use of drugs. I don't agree with the license necessarily, but would definitely side on a required annual class on the subject matter if you are going to use.

[choff]

Morons make out what Morons will.

This obviously and stupidly wrong nonsense really has gone too far here at T-P. Simon, get your shit together and stop posting one thread after the next trying to convince sensible people that drugs aren't bad.

You are acting like an asshole, and you deserve a good boot up your ass.

Lets be clear--no one here gives a shit that you're a criminal and a pro-drug degenerate. You need to stop pretending that T-P is your public shouting post. All the sensible people here think you're an asshole.

STOP CREATING PRO-DRUG THREADS TO SUIT YOUR PSYCHOSIS.

That was very rude, I don't agree with Mike but I defend his right to post his opinions. We have a lot of time to kill pre WB8 results so we might as well argue over something else. With that in mind, I present to you this.

http://ca.delish.com/food/recalls-revie ... -addictive

[GIThruster]

Yeah, but you're not going to bury someone in the next two days, BECAUSE OF DRUGS.

It's all fun and games until you put someone's eye out.

[CKay]

Yeah, but you're not going to bury someone in the next two days, BECAUSE OF DRUGS.

That is undoubtedly sad.

I take it that the deceased took illegal drugs?

I've had friends and acquaintances who's death was down to misadventure associated with various recreational activities including: one push-bike accident, a couple of road traffic accidents, many, many deaths due to legal recreational drugs (alcohol and smoking) and one (deliberate) overdose of an illegal drug.

Each of those deaths was sad and, to some extent, avoidable. However, just as I wouldn't want to see recreational bike riding or driving made illegal, or the possession of alcohol and tobacco brought in line with other illegal recreational drugs, I don't think that the criminalisation of drug users is in the interest of harm reduction or natural justice.

For the record I'm a teetotal, non-smoking, non-drug-user.

[TDPerk]

"Yeah, but you're not going to bury someone in the next two days, BECAUSE OF DRUGS."

Neither will you or any one else.

[choff]

Yeah, but you're not going to bury someone in the next two days, BECAUSE OF DRUGS.

It's all fun and games until you put someone's eye out.

My condolences, I've seen plenty of local drug related tragedy, everybody has. There is no good solution, right now we only have solutions that rearrange the misery, and sometimes we use humour as a coping mechanism.

[MSimon]

Yep - alcohol is our #1 drug problem:

http://oas.samhsa.gov/NSDUH/2k9NSDUH/2k ... htm#Fig7-1

And my esteemed colleague GTI. Is it delusional to note that alcohol prohibition failed? Is it delusional to note that drug prohibition is failing for the same reason? i.e. before prohibition we had an alcohol problem. After prohibition we had an alcohol + crime problem.

And you will note that if I'm delusional Nobel winner Milton Friedman was similarly mentally challenged. As is former Secretary of State George Schultz. Not to mention James Baker and his Institute. I also note that the delusion seems to have spread to about 1/2 the American adult population. So much so that it is very likely that Massachusetts will vote to legalize pot this fall. It will be on the ballot.

You will note that some of the first failures of alcohol prohibition started when states decided they didn't want to enforce prohibition laws.

I take the engineering approach. If the current solution is not delivering the promised results (about 85% of adults in America say that) it is time to look at the problem in a different way. Such proposal is met by the usual Luddite reaction from some - "we can't change". The folks in the "we can't change" camp are now in the minority in America.

So GTI - I'm so sorry to hear you are in the minority on the subject. By now my thoughts on the matter have reached a million people (estimate based on my I'net traffic stats). What are you doing to make your case to the public? Well there are others doing that to be sure. But they don't seem to be very effective. Perhaps you need to pitch in and do it better.

You might also want to tell the NIDA to stop looking into why people take drugs. They are not helping your cause.

And neither is Forbes magazine:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/20 ... investors/

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And then there is recruiting by the left. Racism used to be its most powerful draw. Now that racism is in hand they have turned to drug prohibition for recruiting. It seems to be working.

http://classicalvalues.com/2012/02/the-ptsd-party/

So let me see. The policy is a failure. It is the top recruiting tool of your enemies. i.e. it is a trap. You favor its continuation.

If a general was to behave like that in battle he would be replaced. Is it your thesis that such a one should be promoted?

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And look how far it has gone. According to the above government link legal opiates are 4X the problem heroin is. Why? Well obviously the regulations are too restrictive and people are resorting to the black market for their supplies.

As far as I can tell from all the above, drugs are here to stay and we are going to have to learn to live with them. Which is no different from actual facts on the ground currently (criminals will sell to anyone). My advice to you? Get over it.