Yup.ladajo wrote: Or are you merely trying to keep the game honest?
Re Rossi, I figure he is either an honest jackass, or a dishonest one. Either way, he's a jackass. But he MAY be on the way to being are filthy rich jackass. Tick, tock, tick...
E-cat fraud
Fair enough.
Now, on to the sequential:
Where have all the Rossibots gone? Rats from a sinking ship?
Krivit is at it again: http://blog.newenergytimes.com/author/sbkrivit/
Turns out that the Rossi claims regarding National Instruments are now highly suspect, at least according to National Instruments.
Turns out Rossi is now pushing back delivery dates, again. "12 to 18 Months".
Turns out Rossi's "Investors Trust" may just be his wife.
I still love the Lemonade Stand Invoice# 101. I think I am gong to print one out and hang it by my desk. Global Corporate Empire and sales speak for themselves; a load of crap. Didn't Rossi claim at one point he had sold like 14 of the 1MW (well, ok, tested for 500KW) units? Still no factory photos, no production line shots, no risk there for him to publish "undisclosed location" we are really doing stuff shots.
Sad. Giggle.
Now, on to the sequential:
Where have all the Rossibots gone? Rats from a sinking ship?
Krivit is at it again: http://blog.newenergytimes.com/author/sbkrivit/
Turns out that the Rossi claims regarding National Instruments are now highly suspect, at least according to National Instruments.
Turns out Rossi is now pushing back delivery dates, again. "12 to 18 Months".
Turns out Rossi's "Investors Trust" may just be his wife.
I still love the Lemonade Stand Invoice# 101. I think I am gong to print one out and hang it by my desk. Global Corporate Empire and sales speak for themselves; a load of crap. Didn't Rossi claim at one point he had sold like 14 of the 1MW (well, ok, tested for 500KW) units? Still no factory photos, no production line shots, no risk there for him to publish "undisclosed location" we are really doing stuff shots.
Sad. Giggle.
The development of atomic power, though it could confer unimaginable blessings on mankind, is something that is dreaded by the owners of coal mines and oil wells. (Hazlitt)
What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)
What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)
Sorry Kite, sometimes I am so in my own little world of thoughts that I completely forget that others might not know what I am talking about when I am using my weird acronyms 
NBF= Next Big Future, a blog that has been cited here quite often.
Here is the link:
http://nextbigfuture.com/2012/02/short- ... s-and.html
NBF= Next Big Future, a blog that has been cited here quite often.
Here is the link:
http://nextbigfuture.com/2012/02/short- ... s-and.html
I am not holding my breath.
I am sure they will try to stage a comeback at some point. The thing that gets me, is that they seem to insist on borderline absolute acceptance of validity without critical thinking. Frightening in ways from some folks of which some are obviously bright.
They really do miss the fact that we all want Rossi and/or Defkalion to be valid, but evidence to date is very suspect. Rossimanic behaviours taken out of the discussion, and just looking at what he has demo'd in its own right, still remains very suspect. Many questions, no answers.
I saw one guy who had been a Rossibot admit that he finally realised that his zeal for something real had clouded his judgement. He is now much more circumspect and realistic. He no longer accepts that Rossi has proven anything. He hopes that he has something, but has come to terms with the lack of actual reliable evidence and mulitple contradictions.
Hope for him at least.
I am sure they will try to stage a comeback at some point. The thing that gets me, is that they seem to insist on borderline absolute acceptance of validity without critical thinking. Frightening in ways from some folks of which some are obviously bright.
They really do miss the fact that we all want Rossi and/or Defkalion to be valid, but evidence to date is very suspect. Rossimanic behaviours taken out of the discussion, and just looking at what he has demo'd in its own right, still remains very suspect. Many questions, no answers.
I saw one guy who had been a Rossibot admit that he finally realised that his zeal for something real had clouded his judgement. He is now much more circumspect and realistic. He no longer accepts that Rossi has proven anything. He hopes that he has something, but has come to terms with the lack of actual reliable evidence and mulitple contradictions.
Hope for him at least.
The development of atomic power, though it could confer unimaginable blessings on mankind, is something that is dreaded by the owners of coal mines and oil wells. (Hazlitt)
What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)
What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)
So, I saw this morning that National Instrument's Julie Betts has backpedaled a bit on her take for the Relationship with Rossi.
It seems what Rossi interpreted as weeks of training, was actually more of a normal sales consulting process.
This was what I was thinking, as it is very normal, and I myself have experienced it many times. You call up for example, the GE Fanuc guy. He rolls out as a "Sales Engineer". You then have a back and forth for a few cycles on what product(s) combo will fit your need. Then you choose to buy it or not.
That is a far cry from "weeks of training". I think this still falls under the standard category of Rossispeak. An extention of reality, while posisbly founded in a factual or seeming factual context, is expanded beyond context to infer, or otherwise represent things that are not actually so, but still within the realm of acceptable reality, at least to some degree, but in truth, has no actual truth to itself.
also picked up here:
http://ecatnews.com/?p=2087
It seems what Rossi interpreted as weeks of training, was actually more of a normal sales consulting process.
This was what I was thinking, as it is very normal, and I myself have experienced it many times. You call up for example, the GE Fanuc guy. He rolls out as a "Sales Engineer". You then have a back and forth for a few cycles on what product(s) combo will fit your need. Then you choose to buy it or not.
That is a far cry from "weeks of training". I think this still falls under the standard category of Rossispeak. An extention of reality, while posisbly founded in a factual or seeming factual context, is expanded beyond context to infer, or otherwise represent things that are not actually so, but still within the realm of acceptable reality, at least to some degree, but in truth, has no actual truth to itself.
http://e-catsite.com/2012/02/21/ni-corr ... tatements/2.The discussions and technical collaboration that NI engaged in with Leonardo Corp included NI making preliminary suggestions on platforms that could be used for the control system. These types of discussions are part of standard practice in order to assess and accurately meet a customers needs.
also picked up here:
http://ecatnews.com/?p=2087
The development of atomic power, though it could confer unimaginable blessings on mankind, is something that is dreaded by the owners of coal mines and oil wells. (Hazlitt)
What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)
What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)
rossispeak - otherwise known as obsfucation, & plain old dishonesty
i went to a scam auction once, the local council briefly allowed them before cottoning on to it
inside the auction, the items were in black bags and everyone was told it was 'law' that they couldnt open them until they were outside
there was a display of items to be bidded for , so ppl started bidding for these blind items, told only the rough category of current item.
halfway through, someone 'won' a bag, and opened it, causing much fuss and they were hurried out by 'security', not before everyone everyone saw what they won for peanuts was a hi-fi system worth hundreds
bidding resumed with renewed passion, at the end there was a number of smaller bags, bout 50 for fixed price of 20 quid, all were snapped up
the auctioneer was a seasoned pro, milking the crowd to a frenzy
it ended, and everyone went outside, of course the items were junk, the final lot bags contained some worthless jug , my friend actually threw hers at one of the organisers while i laughed at her stupidity in falling for it
point is, im reminded of this by rossi and his endless stream of so called test results (done in unscientific manner), fantasy sales of megawatt units, fraud convictions, dodgy degree, fake deals with national instruments, and seriously 'clownery' is that even a word? its certainly not a mature, measured response. and despite all this, and more i havent mentioned, theres the believers, the ones so desperate for the bargain , theyll overlook all the obvious signs something isnt right, theyll buy those black bags, oh yeh you better believe it
personally im undecided on rossi, whether he is jus a con artist, or just delusional , the one thing im sure of is , i aint gonna be installing a e-cat at home anytime soon
i went to a scam auction once, the local council briefly allowed them before cottoning on to it
inside the auction, the items were in black bags and everyone was told it was 'law' that they couldnt open them until they were outside
there was a display of items to be bidded for , so ppl started bidding for these blind items, told only the rough category of current item.
halfway through, someone 'won' a bag, and opened it, causing much fuss and they were hurried out by 'security', not before everyone everyone saw what they won for peanuts was a hi-fi system worth hundreds
bidding resumed with renewed passion, at the end there was a number of smaller bags, bout 50 for fixed price of 20 quid, all were snapped up
the auctioneer was a seasoned pro, milking the crowd to a frenzy
it ended, and everyone went outside, of course the items were junk, the final lot bags contained some worthless jug , my friend actually threw hers at one of the organisers while i laughed at her stupidity in falling for it
point is, im reminded of this by rossi and his endless stream of so called test results (done in unscientific manner), fantasy sales of megawatt units, fraud convictions, dodgy degree, fake deals with national instruments, and seriously 'clownery' is that even a word? its certainly not a mature, measured response. and despite all this, and more i havent mentioned, theres the believers, the ones so desperate for the bargain , theyll overlook all the obvious signs something isnt right, theyll buy those black bags, oh yeh you better believe it
personally im undecided on rossi, whether he is jus a con artist, or just delusional , the one thing im sure of is , i aint gonna be installing a e-cat at home anytime soon
It is human nature. After about age 20 or 25 humans are mostly locked in to what they "know" (believe) and any information that questions their knowledge is rejected.The thing that gets me, is that they seem to insist on borderline absolute acceptance of validity without critical thinking. Frightening in ways from some folks of which some are obviously bright.
Just look at the response on my favorite other topic (other than fusion). I can provide all the evidence a feller might want that the behavior in question is symptomatic rather than intentional and even those who agree often fall into their old thinking patterns.
And all this despite the fact that recent medical literature is heavily on my side.
If "faith" is involved evidence is useless.
I see evidence of this all the time:
"A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents die and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it." - Max Planck
Engineering is the art of making what you want from what you can get at a profit.
agree with your sentiments, would add that people generally believe what they want to believe in, although occasionally can be swayed by a powerful argument.
was driven back from one of my grandmother's funeral by a nice methodist priest, seemed like a smart guy, talked a bit too much about god for my linking, i think he kinda knew not to ask me , and even though i think religion is nonsense & a god over-complicates the universe, i cant imagine europe without old churches, cathedrals, and have a certain fondness for the naff but comforting rituals, music, art
so we all capable of keeping two sets of books
problem is , we live in an information age, but programmed to more or less accept the first thing we see , especially if it fits with what we already like to believe, our worldview
take 9-11 for example, 4 guys per plane, stanley knives, mostly middle class passengers , take plane , crash into building, its simple enough
few days after 9-11 some videos appear where some guy reckoned one plane fires a missile at a tower, and i use term loosely 'documentaries' such as farenheit 911 & loose change , for months, no years, even now still occasionally, someone will refer to one of these as FACT to back up what is generally thinly-veiled anti-corporate, and by extension, anti-american worldview
what bout the lancet report on iraq war, they go to sadr city, most anti-american place in baghdad, ask ppl if they have relatives killed, unsuprisingly everyones had at least 10 hit with a jdam , so lancet reports this figure, still quoted now by tedious types on youtube etc , and iv seen ppl multiply it further to more than the combined total of hiroshima+nagasaki , in an age of persistent surveillance, optics & smart bombs !!!
critical thinking isnt taught as a skillset in schools , lazy dumb, one-click google to learn, is the way of things now
was driven back from one of my grandmother's funeral by a nice methodist priest, seemed like a smart guy, talked a bit too much about god for my linking, i think he kinda knew not to ask me , and even though i think religion is nonsense & a god over-complicates the universe, i cant imagine europe without old churches, cathedrals, and have a certain fondness for the naff but comforting rituals, music, art
so we all capable of keeping two sets of books
problem is , we live in an information age, but programmed to more or less accept the first thing we see , especially if it fits with what we already like to believe, our worldview
take 9-11 for example, 4 guys per plane, stanley knives, mostly middle class passengers , take plane , crash into building, its simple enough
few days after 9-11 some videos appear where some guy reckoned one plane fires a missile at a tower, and i use term loosely 'documentaries' such as farenheit 911 & loose change , for months, no years, even now still occasionally, someone will refer to one of these as FACT to back up what is generally thinly-veiled anti-corporate, and by extension, anti-american worldview
what bout the lancet report on iraq war, they go to sadr city, most anti-american place in baghdad, ask ppl if they have relatives killed, unsuprisingly everyones had at least 10 hit with a jdam , so lancet reports this figure, still quoted now by tedious types on youtube etc , and iv seen ppl multiply it further to more than the combined total of hiroshima+nagasaki , in an age of persistent surveillance, optics & smart bombs !!!
critical thinking isnt taught as a skillset in schools , lazy dumb, one-click google to learn, is the way of things now
Yup. See it all the time. Folks do not want to do the leg work. They would rather take the drive through, and not wonder what else there may be.critical thinking isnt taught as a skillset in schools , lazy dumb, one-click google to learn, is the way of things now
The development of atomic power, though it could confer unimaginable blessings on mankind, is something that is dreaded by the owners of coal mines and oil wells. (Hazlitt)
What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)
What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)