US Condemns Bomb Attack on Iran Nuclear Scientist

Aslan · Post by **Aslan** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:12 pm

Would you just give some percentages chance, that my claim is true.
With this assumption, do you think why Israel insists to excite Western governments and America against IRAN by using lies?

GIThruster · Post by **GIThruster** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:15 pm

ladajo wrote: I would offer that it is not certain that the "CIA" did it. I would also offer that odds are it was somebody else given the plethora of parties that would like to act against Iran.

Indeed. My best guess is it's some Iranian patriotic group, tired of seeing their country dominated by morons and led into strife after strife, who has done this. Neither the Americans nor the Jews would repeat a method so many times. the fact of the repitition speaks of a group with very limited resources like an insurgency.

GIThruster · Post by **GIThruster** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:18 pm

Aslan wrote: GIThruster, I frequently said in my previous thread that IRAN has not Nuclear Weapons. Unfortunately, Iranian effort to achieve nuclear weapons is a dummy and big lie that is planning bye Zions.

You need to learn to think like an adult, Aslan. Iran built centrifuges for making nuclear weapons that are not needed for peaceful nuclear uses. Likewise, Israel has nothing to gain from what you're saying. You are a drone--the product of media management in Iran who has yet to learn to think for himself..

Skipjack · Post by **Skipjack** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:19 pm

The road to war in 1991 was also clear in regard to the reasons, WMD included. Not only had Saddam invaded Kuwait, he also at the time had a large WMD industry run by MSE.

Noone disputes the reasons for the war in 1991. One has to put a few things into perspective though.
1. Until the invasion of Kuwait, Iraq was regarded as a friend of the US and the US supported Iraq in its war against Iran, as did other western nations.
2. It was also accepted for western nations and nationals to do business with Iraq until 1991, this did include arms trading and construction of weapon factories.
3. Saddam had not just started in 1991 to kill people like Kurds in his own country, but until he invaded Kuwait this was oh so casually overlooked by the west.
4. All that changed in 1991 and people that were still doing business with him (because they had invested a lot of money that they were going to loose) were assissinated by the Mossad, like the father of the modern artillery cannon, Gerald Bull and others...
5. Either way, they still left Saddam in business, because they needed him to hold down Iran. In fact, we can see today why they did it.
Iraq is gone and now Iran thinks they can be the big kid on the block and piss everybody else off in the region.

Now, one can argue that taking out Saddam was justified. Maybe it was, but it sure had not just positive effects for the region (and the US which is suffering economically and politically).

Aslan · Post by **Aslan** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:28 pm

GIThruster wrote: Iran built centrifuges for making nuclear weapons that are not needed for peaceful nuclear uses.

We believe that Iran build centrifuges for making nuclear fuel that are needed only for peaceful nuclear power plants and small research reactors.

parallel · Post by **parallel** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:32 pm

GIThruster wrote:No really, they're being assassinated.

Aslan, if you can agree with the notion of a just war, or a just killing, then you must understand, the world generally considers the killing of these nuclear scientists in Iran, just killings. Iran is pushing constantly toward becoming a nuclear power while its leadership still holds that they are "just" in exterminating the Jewish people. This is why Iran is treated by the world as more than a bit nuts, and people don't much mind whatever it takes to stop Iran from getting nuclear weapons.

So really, the entire notion of what is an assassination is predicated around the notion of just killing, and the dope at the Guardian apparently refuses to recognize such a thing is possible.

You got it completely wrong in the last several posts, but have failed to admit that when I pointed out your mistakes.

You have got it wrong again in saying:

the world generally considers the killing of these nuclear scientists in Iran, just killings..

It is just a percentage of the Jewish population and the ignorant Boobus Americana who get their news from Fox, that do.
The great majority in the world disagrees. Even the American government says they disagree.

ladajo,

I do not know why you keep bringing up Israel. It would almost seem you have something against them. My position has no relevance to Israel

No? you were in favor of a pre-emptive strike against Iraq and it seems now against Iran. Why not the other dictators?
As Taki wrote:

A Clean Break, authored by him and American fellow neocons, which aimed to aggressively remake the strategic environments of Iraq, Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, and Iran. As they say in boxing circles, three down, two to go.

Aslan · Post by **Aslan** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:40 pm

Aslan wrote:Would you just give some percentages chance, that my claim is true.
With this assumption, do you think why Israel insists to excite Western governments and America against IRAN by using lies?

Because, Iran is the major country that disclosure about the occupation and the Zionist regime's crimes in Palestine.

parallel · Post by **parallel** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:43 pm

GIThruster,

Iran built centrifuges for making nuclear weapons that are not needed for peaceful nuclear uses.

Brilliant. Nuclear power plants run on thin air. They don't need fuel rods according to you. They whole point of the Non Proliferation treaty was to allow the peaceful use of nuclear power, not to stop it.

Note, the West won't even provide fuel rods for their medical reactor (making isotopes for medical use) that is now badly in need of refueling.

Next I suppose you will suggest that Iranian babies should all be killed in a pre-emptive way, because they might grow up to make nuclear weapons.

GIThruster · Post by **GIThruster** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:44 pm

parallel wrote: You got it completely wrong in the last several posts, but have failed to admit that when I pointed out your mistakes.

You misunderstand completely. I'm just ignoring you. Anyone familiar with the situation as it occurred most of a decade ago knows you're obviously and stupidly wrong. The fact you're posting links to wiki demonstrates you don't know the subject and are just looking for factoids to support your anti-semite position. When you post, there's nothing of substance. You can explain away Curveball as much as you like, but at the time American went to war, the American people BELIEVED it was because Saddam had WMD's and it is foolish and stupid to think he didn't want them. It was just 3 or 4 years ago we removed hundreds of tons of yellowcake from Iraq.

Honestly, your anti-semite tripe is pretty disgusting and not worthy of an answer past that.

GIThruster · Post by **GIThruster** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:46 pm

parallel wrote: Brilliant. Nuclear power plants run on thin air. They don't need fuel rods according to you.

Nuclear power for peaceful purposes does not require the centrifuge set-up that the Iranians have.

You and I are end of discussion.

parallel · Post by **parallel** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:48 pm

GIThruster wrote:
parallel wrote: You got it completely wrong in the last several posts, but have failed to admit that when I pointed out your mistakes.
You misunderstand completely. I'm just ignoring you. Anyone familiar with the situation as it occurred most of a decade ago knows you're obviously and stupidly wrong. The fact you're posting links to wiki demonstrates you don't know the subject and are just looking for factoids to support your anti-semite position. When you post, there's nothing of substance. You can explain away Curveball as much as you like, but at the time American went to war, the American people BELIEVED it was because Saddam had WMD's and it is foolish and stupid to think he didn't want them. It was just 3 or 4 years ago we removed hundreds of tons of yellowcake from Iraq.

Honestly, your anti-semite tripe is pretty disgusting and not worthy of an answer past that.

The difference is I provide references. You just spout unsupported Zionist propaganda.
You are typical of those who have to fall back on accusing others of being anti-Semitic when you can't answer the point.

Aslan · Post by **Aslan** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:54 pm

GIThruster wrote: Nuclear power for peaceful purposes does not require the centrifuge set-up that the Iranians have.

Ohhhhh............Yes. I understood. You use toothbrush to enrich uranium up to 4% for power plant and you use sieve to enrich uranium up to 20% for medical applications instead of centrifuges.

GIThruster · Post by **GIThruster** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:05 pm

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/ ... 5420111214

http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/02/ ... EH20100218

Interesting that certain people can make arguments based upon what the UN wants, and then ignore the evidence and UN Security Counsel Resolutions when it's convenient for their anti-semitism to plead ignorance.

Aslan · Post by **Aslan** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:11 pm

GIThruster wrote:http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/ ... 5420111214

http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/02/ ... EH20100218

All of these facilities act under International Atomic Energy Agency's inspectors.

Joseph Chikva · Post by **Joseph Chikva** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:12 pm

GIThruster wrote:Iran built centrifuges for making nuclear weapons that are not needed for peaceful nuclear uses.

Wrong. Centrifuges are required in both cases: for peaceful purposes and for weapon as well. But Aslan's statement on exclusively peaceful purpose of their nuclear program is only the repetition of their propaganda. Bismarck said something like that words have not matter but only capabilities have. And many countries don't want to see such capabilities in not causing the trust regime’s hands.