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[ScottL]

Nobody has died during the OWS protests or Tea Party movements in the U.S., can the same be said about the 2009-2010 Iranian election protests?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2%80 ... n_protests

At least 36 people are known to have died while many others were beaten and imprisoned. Does the name Neda Agha-Soltan not create an empathetic response? One of the most televised and highly witnessed deaths of all time.

Background for those not knowing who she is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Neda_Agha-Soltan

Some "freedom" you have there...

[Aslan]

Nobody has died during the OWS protests or Tea Party movements in the U.S., can the same be said about the 2009-2010 Iranian election protests?

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At least 36 people are known to have died while many others were beaten and imprisoned. Does the name Neda Agha-Soltan not create an empathetic response? One of the most televised and highly witnessed deaths of all time.

Background for those not knowing who she is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Neda_Agha-Soltan

Some "freedom" you have there...

I accept. There were some mistakes.

But, Neda Agha-Soltan has been killed by Mojahedine-Khalgh. It is a terrorist group that was supported by Israel and US. "well documented"

[GIThruster]

MEK hates the US as much as the current Iranian government. Once only, the US supplied MEK with logistical support because it viewed the group a source of intel on Iran. However, given MEK's half dozen assassination attempts against US Ambassadors, Brigadier Generals and Comptrolers, etc; and given MEK's consistent preaching against Capitalism, Westernization and the US in general, it's pretty hard to paint the picture of the US in support of them.

One event in 30 years hardly makes the US a "supporter" especially when one considers the US has MEK listed as a terrorist organization and cannot aid it in any way, since 2009.

That's public record and that's "well documented"--any US citizen aiding MEK in any way is subject to immediate arrest and imprisonment since 2009. This is why hopes the people of Iran will lift itself from it's backward ways and join the rest of the world are dwindling so much the last few years. People are starting to believe Iran will forever be set aside as a country of crazies, because they cannot stand up to the oppression of their land by their religious fanatics.

[ScottL]

Nobody has died during the OWS protests or Tea Party movements in the U.S., can the same be said about the 2009-2010 Iranian election protests?

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... W3wrdDTJ5g

At least 36 people are known to have died while many others were beaten and imprisoned. Does the name Neda Agha-Soltan not create an empathetic response? One of the most televised and highly witnessed deaths of all time.

Background for those not knowing who she is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Neda_Agha-Soltan

Some "freedom" you have there...

I accept. There were some mistakes.

But, Neda Agha-Soltan has been killed by Mojahedine-Khalgh. It is a terrorist group that is supported by Israel and US. "well documented"

So let me get this straight, a terrorist group decides to target a random person, sacrificing themselves to kill this random person, all to setup the government? That's quite a conspiracy theory there. What's worse is that the guy was captured, his ID card taken and was a known member of the Basij militia, which last time I checked is the government paramilitary group.

The man accused of killing Neda Soltan has been identified as Abbas Kargar Javid, a pro-government militiaman, after photographs of the Basiji’s ID cards appeared on the internet, according to The Times.

So now the protesters are lying to us? What they posted were lies? Yeah I don't believe it. The truth hurts.

[Aslan]

MEK hates the US as much as the current Iranian government. Once only, the US supplied MEK with logistical support because it viewed the group a source of intel on Iran. However, given MEK's half dozen assassination attempts against US Ambassadors, Brigadier Generals and Comptrolers, etc; and given MEK's consistent preaching against Capitalism, Westernization and the US in general, it's pretty hard to paint the picture of the US in support of them.

One event in 30 years hardly makes the US a "supporter" especially when one considers the US has MEK listed as a terrorist organization and cannot aid it in any way, since 2009.

That's public record and that's "well documented"--any US citizen aiding MEK in any way is subject to immediate arrest and imprisonment since 2009. This is why hopes the people of Iran will lift itself from it's backward ways and join the rest of the world are dwindling so much the last few years. People are starting to believe Iran will forever be set aside as a country of crazies, because they cannot stand up to the oppression of their land by their religious fanatics.

Reality 1;

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[Aslan]

MEK hates the US as much as the current Iranian government. Once only, the US supplied MEK with logistical support because it viewed the group a source of intel on Iran. However, given MEK's half dozen assassination attempts against US Ambassadors, Brigadier Generals and Comptrolers, etc; and given MEK's consistent preaching against Capitalism, Westernization and the US in general, it's pretty hard to paint the picture of the US in support of them.

One event in 30 years hardly makes the US a "supporter" especially when one considers the US has MEK listed as a terrorist organization and cannot aid it in any way, since 2009.

That's public record and that's "well documented"--any US citizen aiding MEK in any way is subject to immediate arrest and imprisonment since 2009. This is why hopes the people of Iran will lift itself from it's backward ways and join the rest of the world are dwindling so much the last few years. People are starting to believe Iran will forever be set aside as a country of crazies, because they cannot stand up to the oppression of their land by their religious fanatics.

Please read it carefully!!!!

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8708251287

[GIThruster]

Scott, please fix the link at the top of the page that mkes us all have to across across to read.

Asian, it's not worth reading. I agreed the US supported MEK at least once, and probably only once. You said the US SUPPORTS (present tense) MEK when in fact, MEK is on the federal list of terrorist organizations and it is therefore a crime to support them in any way.

[Aslan]

Please deliver the killer.

You Can See This:

[GIThruster]

Sorry, the translation is so poor, I can't tell what is being stated.

[Diogenes]

The US's support of the Mujahideen in Afghanistan was almost exclusively in supply of shoulder mounted anti-aircraft Stinger missiles. Since neither the Taliban nor Al Qaeda have ever used a Stinger missile, there is precisely NO EVIDENCE for your absurd position. Likewise, you're demonstrating a complete lack of comprehension, of how Bin Laden changed the lay of the land by prosthelytizing the Afghans, whom were not before that time a threat to those outside their lands.

Are you asserting that the stingers sent to Afghanistan have all been accounted for? I seem to recall reading articles indicating that some of them had made their way into the hands of the Russians and the Chinese, and that many are still floating around, whereabouts unknown.

That they haven't been used yet (that we know of) could be the result of their not yet having a target against which their use would be feasible. You do know they won't work against OUR aircraft? Who else would they be shooting them at besides us?

I shouldn't be surprised to discover that they have attempted to use them against our aircraft, only to discover that to their surprise they veered off course. Actually, now that I think about it, I think I do recall reading a story to that effect.

Hmmm.... didn't find it, but here are a few other stories on the topic.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2001 ... es-taliban

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/0 ... -misfires/

http://www.rferl.org/content/article/1057196.html

Anyway, I don't feel like arguing with you about it, and i'm not going to call your position absurd. You might be absolutely right, for all I know or want to know at this point. This topic may be of great personal interest to you, but it is of only passing interest to me currently.

[Diogenes]

You guys ought to lay off Aslan. What do you expect him to say? What do you expect him to believe?


As MSimon would say, subtlety works better.


People will often defend their country whether they be right or wrong. People will believe what they are led to believe, whether it be true or false. Rather than castigating them as enabling "monsters", we ought to understand that their leadership and culture doesn't look that way from their perspective.


That being said, I think it's a good idea to make people aware of how WE see them, WHY we see them that way, and what WE will do about it.

[GIThruster]

The Stingers from the Afghan/USSR war that have not been used, cannot be used. They include a battery that drives the internal guidance system that has been expired for many years.

And be serious, were this not the case, we would most certainly have seen passenger airliners around the world knocked out of the sky by Al Qaeda.

You're pushing the issue to finer and finer point. Point is, it's not a quibble and you can't blame the US for arming the Taliban nor Al Qaeda.

[hanelyp]

Nobody has died during the OWS protests or Tea Party movements in the U.S., can the same be said about the 2009-2010 Iranian election protests?

Apparently not quite accurate on OWS, http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/201 ... new_o.html Cause of death undetermined. It could simply be the squalor those camps attract.

[GIThruster]

Well, there's no evidence yet that anyone has been killed.

[Giorgio]

But, Neda Agha-Soltan has been killed by Mojahedine-Khalgh. It is a terrorist group that was supported by Israel and US. "well documented"

Aslan, you are the perfect product of your society, and a good example of
why Iran cannot be trusted.

You have been taught never to object your leader words.
You have been taught never to ask questions.
You have been taught never to think with your brain.

Thank you for posting on this board, your posts have been and will be a
good reminder to everyone that freedom must always be defended from
oligarchic and totalitarian government like the Iranian one.

But I am sad for you.
You are not living your life and you will never will, but I guess you do not care, after all this is what "islam" means.