Please, Try to Make a Lovely Peaceful World

[Giorgio]

Dear Giorgio, not here in Iran. Maybe other countries.

Dear Aslan, maybe we are not talking about the same Iran than.

[Aslan]

Aslan,
Why do you think it is governments spreading lies?
Why can it not be the media circular reporting what it hears?

Your country does not do well in western media due to frequent and irrational acts. Western goverments avoid supplying lies to the media. The risk is too high, to do so and get caught would be the end of that government. Occasionally, an unthinking fool or fools will try, but inevitably they get caught and burned.

I think the idea of a completely free (but bias in many directions) media is a concept lost on many outside of western culture.
Again, quality of information is central to the level of trouble in a populace. Those populaces with lower qualities of information available tend to have higher levels of trouble and problems, both singularly and as a group.

Why for instance does your government persist in its control and limiting of information both crossing the bounds of your state, as well as internally?
Why is the media not allowed to report on certain topics, and when they do, it is decidedly managed by a "Bureau of Information"?

If we have a riot or protest somewhere here in the US, it is free to be reported on and broadcast about by any who care to do so. It does not seem to be the case in Iran.
Do you have free will and ability to report on any student protests against your goverment? Do you have the ability to safely write and publish or make a video and publish to the world criticism of your government authorities?
Does your wife/daughter/or girlfriend have the ability to go out and protest against wearing a headscarve and the ability to wear a skirt by doing so? Can you take a video and post it on the internet or run it on the evening news without fear of the woman in question being arrested?

These are the impressions of your country in the west. If they are wrong then show us. Also do not think that western media is controlled by its governments. That would be the same as thinking that the US controls Israel or vice versa. Just not true. All are independant actors with independant agendas and goals.

The term "state run media" is something understood as a function of bad countries by western free culture. For instance, North Korea.

ladajo I said before. Western governments spread news against Iran and Iran spreads news against them. but be sure that I have both. Maybe I can judge fair than you.
In Iran students are free, rather than you can believe.
Sometimes,Police deal with them is bad, like what American Police does now.

[Aslan]

Dear Giorgio, not here in Iran. Maybe other countries.

Dear Aslan, maybe we are not talking about the same Iran than.

Maybe your Iran is Mecca!!!

[GIThruster]

Only a Muslim could support a nation that makes genocidal threats against others--others they really have no contact with and no reason to form friction, but whom they have stated a genocidal commitment toward-then make a thread here pretending they want peace while that nation is working as hard and fast as possible to have a nuclear weapon.

Straight truth: Mutually Assured Destruction worked during the cold war because it was between reasonable parties. Iran is in no way reasonable, and cannot be allowed to have nuclear weapons; because the people in power there, are crazy enough to use them.

How crazy is the leadership in Iran? Crazy as a loon. Look at what Ahmadinejad said just today:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15637539

Who can believe such crazy nonsense? This kind of delusional separation from reality is what makes Iran a danger to the world, because Iran's leaders cannot be expected to act rationally. Just as with in denying the holocaust, or thinking the US controls the IAEA, Ahmadinejad shows through his most public acts, he is CRAZY AS A LOON.

Dear GIThruster,
Here is an open-source forum. I never insult anyone. Please do not insult too.

Sorry you find it insulting, but the fact is, ONLY MUSLIMS THINK THIS WAY. Not all Muslims think this way. We could precise which Muslims think this way. Should we call them "fundamentalists"? Should we call them "Islamo-Fascisists"? Should we call them "Islamic Terrorists"? Whatever you call them, only Muslims act and think this way and if they don't knock it off, they're going to be responsible for thermonuclear holocaust. Iran is going to deserve getting bombed because Iran's leaders show on a regular basis that they are psychotic children who can not be allowed to play with thermonuclear weapons.

[ladajo]

Aslan,
Why do you think it is governments spreading lies?
Why can it not be the media circular reporting what it hears?

Your country does not do well in western media due to frequent and irrational acts. Western goverments avoid supplying lies to the media. The risk is too high, to do so and get caught would be the end of that government. Occasionally, an unthinking fool or fools will try, but inevitably they get caught and burned.

I think the idea of a completely free (but bias in many directions) media is a concept lost on many outside of western culture.
Again, quality of information is central to the level of trouble in a populace. Those populaces with lower qualities of information available tend to have higher levels of trouble and problems, both singularly and as a group.

Why for instance does your government persist in its control and limiting of information both crossing the bounds of your state, as well as internally?
Why is the media not allowed to report on certain topics, and when they do, it is decidedly managed by a "Bureau of Information"?

If we have a riot or protest somewhere here in the US, it is free to be reported on and broadcast about by any who care to do so. It does not seem to be the case in Iran.
Do you have free will and ability to report on any student protests against your goverment? Do you have the ability to safely write and publish or make a video and publish to the world criticism of your government authorities?
Does your wife/daughter/or girlfriend have the ability to go out and protest against wearing a headscarve and the ability to wear a skirt by doing so? Can you take a video and post it on the internet or run it on the evening news without fear of the woman in question being arrested?

These are the impressions of your country in the west. If they are wrong then show us. Also do not think that western media is controlled by its governments. That would be the same as thinking that the US controls Israel or vice versa. Just not true. All are independant actors with independant agendas and goals.

The term "state run media" is something understood as a function of bad countries by western free culture. For instance, North Korea.

ladajo I said before. Western governments spread news against Iran and Iran spreads news against them. but be sure that I have both. Maybe I can judge fair than you.
In Iran students are free, rather than you can believe.
Sometimes,Police deal with them is bad, like what American Police does now.

Yes, police anywhere can behave out of hand. However, correct or not, the impression is that police in Iran are far from fair.
Show us it is wrong. Canyour sister walk down the street in Tehran in Levi jeans and with no hat or scarve over her hair? Can she do this with her friend who is in her college class who is male and not related? Can she do this without any fear or concern from the moral police or others?
Show us how this impression is wrong if you do not agree.
Western governments do not "Spread news about Iran". The Media reports on Iran as it sees fit. The governments have no say.
Your worst enemy these days is yourselves in the sense that you have a President who repeatedly says idiot things as a leader and is viewed in the west as silly as Kim Il Jong in North Korea. Or maybe even more negatively because your Preseident insists on talking about wiping another state (Isreal" "off the map", as well as constantly making empty silly threats against other countries. What happened recently when Iran (your government) made public statements about owning Bahrain, and that is is a soon to be recovered "lost" province. And in so much even during the protests there said that it would unilaterally send troops to "defend" the protesters. As I recall, Iran was told in no uncertain terms by Turkey and others that if a single Iranian military or IRGC unit moved towards Bahrain one inch, that it would be unrestricted war. These types of statements and policy positions do not help your case that your country (government) is a peaceful coexisting one.
You still have not explained the years and years of mayhem Iranian sponsered surrogates have caused in Syria, Lebanon, Palistine and Israel. And also, you have not explained why it is Iran's problem and why Iran must do so. The weak claim is Pan-Islamism, but the is undermined by the Arab point of view. And Arab is most certainly not Persian.
Your country has a rich long history. I can only think that your recent history is a blight on the past. I also think that your nation will find its way again, and return to a more reasonable role the one it chooses now.

You think that for 30 years the US and Israel have been paying and supporting "Terrorists" from Afghanistan and Iraq to attack Iran.
That sounds like cheap propanganda generated by your own government to try and help cement its own legitimacy and hold on power. It is complete fantasy. On the contrary, Iran has time and again provided refuge and support to terrorists. Why do you think the Saudis have been and remain your bitter enemies? Is it because you have been sending "peace envoys" since the revolution? Not so much.
Iran helped grow AQ and others, and the rest of the world knows it. Whether or not the people of Iran fully know what their government has been up to is another issue.

[Giorgio]

Dear Giorgio, not here in Iran. Maybe other countries.

Dear Aslan, maybe we are not talking about the same Iran than.

Maybe your Iran is Mecca!!!

Deal Aslan, as the Iran described by you looks like a real paradise on earth than why you simply don't close your frontiers and live your perfect life in paradise? Leave us living our hell!

[Aslan]

GIThruster,,,,

Please do not forget that:

1- Only US government has used nuclear bombs and has killed rather than 100,000...................................................................................

2- Only Israeli government kills women.

3- Only Israeali government kills childeren.

4- Only US government has killed more than 1,000,000 people in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Vietnam and 20 other conturies in the world.

Finally, what do you think about international terrorism in all over the world?

[Aslan]

Dear Aslan, maybe we are not talking about the same Iran than.

Maybe your Iran is Mecca!!!

Deal Aslan, as the Iran described by you looks like a real paradise on earth than why you simply don't close your frontiers and live your perfect life in paradise? Leave us living our hell!

Giargio, there are some flaws here and we can and should revise them.
And please accept that there are there too.

[ladajo]

Aslan,
Maybe you should read this:
http://isis-online.org/uploads/isis-rep ... ov2011.pdf

[Giorgio]

Giargio, there are some flaws here and we can and should revise them.
And please accept that there are there too.

Aslan, I never stated that there are no flaws in our society. I am just pointing to the fact that at least we live in a "generally" free society where we do not have to be afraid to express our opinions.

Once Iran will reach our standard of freedom I will be happy to discuss with you the steps to correct the flaws that will be still present in both of our societies so, please, try to correct your flaws quickly to reach our level.

[Aslan]

Aslan,
Why do you think it is governments spreading lies?
Why can it not be the media circular reporting what it hears?

Your country does not do well in western media due to frequent and irrational acts. Western goverments avoid supplying lies to the media. The risk is too high, to do so and get caught would be the end of that government. Occasionally, an unthinking fool or fools will try, but inevitably they get caught and burned.

I think the idea of a completely free (but bias in many directions) media is a concept lost on many outside of western culture.
Again, quality of information is central to the level of trouble in a populace. Those populaces with lower qualities of information available tend to have higher levels of trouble and problems, both singularly and as a group.

Why for instance does your government persist in its control and limiting of information both crossing the bounds of your state, as well as internally?
Why is the media not allowed to report on certain topics, and when they do, it is decidedly managed by a "Bureau of Information"?

If we have a riot or protest somewhere here in the US, it is free to be reported on and broadcast about by any who care to do so. It does not seem to be the case in Iran.
Do you have free will and ability to report on any student protests against your goverment? Do you have the ability to safely write and publish or make a video and publish to the world criticism of your government authorities?
Does your wife/daughter/or girlfriend have the ability to go out and protest against wearing a headscarve and the ability to wear a skirt by doing so? Can you take a video and post it on the internet or run it on the evening news without fear of the woman in question being arrested?

These are the impressions of your country in the west. If they are wrong then show us. Also do not think that western media is controlled by its governments. That would be the same as thinking that the US controls Israel or vice versa. Just not true. All are independant actors with independant agendas and goals.

The term "state run media" is something understood as a function of bad countries by western free culture. For instance, North Korea.

ladajo I said before. Western governments spread news against Iran and Iran spreads news against them. but be sure that I have both. Maybe I can judge fair than you.
In Iran students are free, rather than you can believe.
Sometimes,Police deal with them is bad, like what American Police does now.

Yes, police anywhere can behave out of hand. However, correct or not, the impression is that police in Iran are far from fair.
Show us it is wrong. Canyour sister walk down the street in Tehran in Levi jeans and with no hat or scarve over her hair? Can she do this with her friend who is in her college class who is male and not related? Can she do this without any fear or concern from the moral police or others?
Show us how this impression is wrong if you do not agree.
Western governments do not "Spread news about Iran". The Media reports on Iran as it sees fit. The governments have no say.
Your worst enemy these days is yourselves in the sense that you have a President who repeatedly says idiot things as a leader and is viewed in the west as silly as Kim Il Jong in North Korea. Or maybe even more negatively because your Preseident insists on talking about wiping another state (Isreal" "off the map", as well as constantly making empty silly threats against other countries. What happened recently when Iran (your government) made public statements about owning Bahrain, and that is is a soon to be recovered "lost" province. And in so much even during the protests there said that it would unilaterally send troops to "defend" the protesters. As I recall, Iran was told in no uncertain terms by Turkey and others that if a single Iranian military or IRGC unit moved towards Bahrain one inch, that it would be unrestricted war. These types of statements and policy positions do not help your case that your country (government) is a peaceful coexisting one.
You still have not explained the years and years of mayhem Iranian sponsered surrogates have caused in Syria, Lebanon, Palistine and Israel. And also, you have not explained why it is Iran's problem and why Iran must do so. The weak claim is Pan-Islamism, but the is undermined by the Arab point of view. And Arab is most certainly not Persian.
Your country has a rich long history. I can only think that your recent history is a blight on the past. I also think that your nation will find its way again, and return to a more reasonable role the one it chooses now.

You think that for 30 years the US and Israel have been paying and supporting "Terrorists" from Afghanistan and Iraq to attack Iran.
That sounds like cheap propanganda generated by your own government to try and help cement its own legitimacy and hold on power. It is complete fantasy. On the contrary, Iran has time and again provided refuge and support to terrorists. Why do you think the Saudis have been and remain your bitter enemies? Is it because you have been sending "peace envoys" since the revolution? Not so much.
Iran helped grow AQ and others, and the rest of the world knows it. Whether or not the people of Iran fully know what their government has been up to is another issue.

I know that both our governments, have some mistakes. One of America's problems is that, US try to punish Iran with no crime or Iran is not committed to that crime.

It is important that we now have not the atomic bomb.

It is important that we are not now seeking an atomic bomb.

It is important that we do not seek war with other countries.

[GIThruster]

GIThruster,,,,

Please do not forget that:

1- Only US government has used nuclear bombs and has killed rather than 100,000...................................................................................

2- Only Israeli government kills women.

3- Only Israeali government kills childeren.

4- Only US government has killed more than 1,000,000 people in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Vietnam and 20 other conturies in the world.

Finally, what do you think about international terrorism in all over the world?

The 2nd, 3rd and 4th charges are too preposterous to dignify with an answer. The first is true. However, you need to look at the context where the US used those weapons.

Prior to the first use of fission bombs, the US had been locked in war on 4 continents and across 3 Oceans. The war against the Japanese had already claimed more than 100,000 American military lives, and the projected losses to bring the war to an end would require another 250,000 American soldiers be lost in battle, mostly flying bombers over Japanese held lands.

Let me remind you that American bomber squadrons had the worst survival rate of any form of military service in that war.

At the time the first A-Bomb was used, no one really understood the gravity of the situation. The US had been intensely fire-bombing 67 Japanese cities for months, and demanding surrender. Even after the first A-Bomb was used, the Japanese had 3 days to surrender until the second bomb was dropped, and then still did not surrender for another six days. The firebombing that had lasted 6 months and cost far more lives on both sides could not accomplish, what the A-Bomb did--the end of the war.

Most Americans deeply regret the development and use of nuclear weapons, but if you look carefully at that situation, you can see that they actually saved lives on both sides. That is not true of anyone using them in the future. This is why one cannot treat our contemporary situation, as if it had anything to do with that during WWII. To compare today with what was happening when the bomb was first developed, is an invitation to disaster, indulged in only by those predisposed to use it again.

Is that why you bring up the past, to rationalize support of Iran using nuclear weapons in the future? Are you saying ,"you did it so we can do it too"? That's what it sounds like.

[Skipjack]

In defence of the Japanese, one has to say that WW2 could have been over (on all fronts) much earlier, had the allies not insisted on "unconditional surrender". You only do that if you want a war to drag out for a long time, or you are a real idiot.

[GIThruster]

Sounds like propaganda to me. The Japanese had no intentions of surrendering at all. They were daily chanting they would fight to the last man, and the conditions they gained through surrender were fast investment by America to rebuild their way of life.

I think you're parroting off some revisionist nonsense some dope made up who's deeply anti-American. In almost all history, surrender means surrender. Conditions exist only for the end of a battle--never the end of a war.

[Aslan]

GIThruster,,,,

Please do not forget that:

1- Only US government has used nuclear bombs and has killed rather than 100,000...................................................................................

2- Only Israeli government kills women.

3- Only Israeali government kills childeren.

4- Only US government has killed more than 1,000,000 people in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Vietnam and 20 other conturies in the world.

Finally, what do you think about international terrorism in all over the world?

The 2nd, 3rd and 4th charges are too preposterous to dignify with an answer. The first is true.

About 1,2,3 and 4 I should say that: The truth is bitter.