Giorgio wrote:Do you think is correct for someone not to have any legal right because he is not muslim?
Do you think is correct to condemn someone to death because he refuses or he stops to believe in Allah?
Giargio
You're a cultured man. These things are really lies. Western governments benefit from spreading lies against Iran.
Aslan,
Why do you think it is governments spreading lies?
Why can it not be the media circular reporting what it hears?
Your country does not do well in western media due to frequent and irrational acts. Western goverments avoid supplying lies to the media. The risk is too high, to do so and get caught would be the end of that government. Occasionally, an unthinking fool or fools will try, but inevitably they get caught and burned.
I think the idea of a completely free (but bias in many directions) media is a concept lost on many outside of western culture.
Again, quality of information is central to the level of trouble in a populace. Those populaces with lower qualities of information available tend to have higher levels of trouble and problems, both singularly and as a group.
Why for instance does your government persist in its control and limiting of information both crossing the bounds of your state, as well as internally?
Why is the media not allowed to report on certain topics, and when they do, it is decidedly managed by a "Bureau of Information"?
If we have a riot or protest somewhere here in the US, it is free to be reported on and broadcast about by any who care to do so. It does not seem to be the case in Iran.
Do you have free will and ability to report on any student protests against your goverment? Do you have the ability to safely write and publish or make a video and publish to the world criticism of your government authorities?
Does your wife/daughter/or girlfriend have the ability to go out and protest against wearing a headscarve and the ability to wear a skirt by doing so? Can you take a video and post it on the internet or run it on the evening news without fear of the woman in question being arrested?
These are the impressions of your country in the west. If they are wrong then show us. Also do not think that western media is controlled by its governments. That would be the same as thinking that the US controls Israel or vice versa. Just not true. All are independant actors with independant agendas and goals.
The term "state run media" is something understood as a function of bad countries by western free culture. For instance, North Korea.
Only a Muslim could support a nation that makes genocidal threats against others--others they really have no contact with and no reason to form friction, but whom they have stated a genocidal commitment toward-then make a thread here pretending they want peace while that nation is working as hard and fast as possible to have a nuclear weapon.
Straight truth: Mutually Assured Destruction worked during the cold war because it was between reasonable parties. Iran is in no way reasonable, and cannot be allowed to have nuclear weapons; because the people in power there, are crazy enough to use them.
How crazy is the leadership in Iran? Crazy as a loon. Look at what Ahmadinejad said just today:
Who can believe such crazy nonsense? This kind of delusional separation from reality is what makes Iran a danger to the world, because Iran's leaders cannot be expected to act rationally. Just as with in denying the holocaust, or thinking the US controls the IAEA, Ahmadinejad shows through his most public acts, he is CRAZY AS A LOON.
"Courage is not just a virtue, but the form of every virtue at the testing point." C. S. Lewis
Diogenes wrote:1 - Who gave money and weapons to the Taliban and Al Qaeda's war against the Russians?
My Understanding is that We did and You did. It was in our mutual interest and\or philosophy to do so.
I'm sure that you know. Iran could not help AQ, because of presence of Russia. But US, why not!!!
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Diogenes wrote:3 - Who encouraged Saddam to attack Iran?
I do not know that we "encouraged" Saddam to attack Iran, (if this is in fact true, it is known to people of my government that are not willing to say so) but many of us were certainly not bothered by the fact that he did so. We certainly sold him arms and equipment prior to, and possibly during the war.
You may be surprised to learn that many (most?) Americans are not even aware that there was a war, nor do they have the slightest concern about it. On the other hand, there are those such as myself that believe it was a horrible event resulting in the deaths of millions of innocent Iranians and Iraqis. I blame our Second stupidest President, Jimmy Carter.
Diogenes wrote:4 - Who encouraged Saddam to attack Kuwait?
We did not encourage Saddam to attack Kuwait. Through our incompetent Ambassador to Iraq, and as a result of our "wishywashy" President George H.W. Bush, Saddam was led to believe that the United States would not be motivated to act if he should do so.
It was only after the fact of the invasion, and a stern lecturing to President George H.W. Bush by British Prime Minister Margret Thatcher, that Bush decided to subsequently oppose it.
To emphasize the point, we did not "encourage" it, but we also didn't "discourage" it when we should have.
If US ambassador did not show green light to Saddam, Saddam never attack Kuwait, then US soldiers, for 12 years, had no excuse for the presence in the Iraq and MD.
Diogenes wrote:1 - Who gave money and weapons to the Taliban and Al Qaeda's war against the Russians?
My Understanding is that We did and You did. It was in our mutual interest and\or philosophy to do so.
I'm sure that you know. Iran could not help AQ, because of presence of Russia. But Us, why not!!!
You are mis-informed then, because you governemnt did and still does support militant elements in Afghanistan. As they also do in Iraq and other countries. This support includes training, weapons, money, safe-havens and other wonderful things.
The US also supported the Afghan's against the Russians and made non effort to hide it. There are many good books, media reports, and even Hollywood movies about it all. Where-as your government denies it does anything. Why?
Why are there Iranian Revolutionary Guard operatives supplying weapons and training and money to Iraqi militants? If this is not so, then why is it that third parties (Non US) are capturing Iranian weapons crossing the Iranian border, as well as finding them all around the country? You can read all about this stuff in the BBC news or even european and russian news services.
Diogenes wrote:4 - Who encouraged Saddam to attack Kuwait?
We did not encourage Saddam to attack Kuwait. Through our incompetent Ambassador to Iraq, and as a result of our "wishywashy" President George H.W. Bush, Saddam was led to believe that the United States would not be motivated to act if he should do so.
It was only after the fact of the invasion, and a stern lecturing to President George H.W. Bush by British Prime Minister Margret Thatcher, that Bush decided to subsequently oppose it.
To emphasize the point, we did not "encourage" it, but we also didn't "discourage" it when we should have.
If US ambassador did not show green light to Saddam, Saddam never attack Kuwait, then US soldiers, for 12 years, had no excuse for the presence in the Iraq and MD.
You completely do not understand why Saddam attacked Kuwait then. He did it because he truly felt that it belonged to Iraq and was a "renegade province". In fact, the US ambassador told him not to attack, but did so in a really amateur way. She was not our sharpest knife. Plus, he was already pre-disposed. Not his first error, nor his last. For example, he did not believe that we would invade in 2003. He truly thought it all a bluff.
Diogenes wrote:8 - Who is responsible for the assassination in Iran and 10,000 killed in the last thirty years ?
Which assassination?
May be following text give you a shock.
America and Israel more than 30 years, gave money and weapons To the group of hypocrites and the People's Mojahedin in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan, to carry out terrorist operations in Iran. The terrorists have assassinated more than 10,000 people in Iran.
Diogenes wrote:1 - Who gave money and weapons to the Taliban and Al Qaeda's war against the Russians?
My Understanding is that We did and You did. It was in our mutual interest and\or philosophy to do so.
I'm sure that you know. Iran could not help AQ, because of presence of Russia. But Us, why not!!!
Russia's war in Afghanistan started in 1979. Al Qaeda formeded in 1988-'89. The Taliban formed in 1996.
The US did not arm either Al Qaeda nor the Taliban for its war with Russia because there was no Al Qaeda nor Taliban at the time. Both the question, and all answers to it, are wrong.
"Courage is not just a virtue, but the form of every virtue at the testing point." C. S. Lewis
Giorgio wrote:Do you think is correct for someone not to have any legal right because he is not muslim?
Do you think is correct to condemn someone to death because he refuses or he stops to believe in Allah?
Giargio
You're a cultured man. These things are really lies. Western governments benefit from spreading lies against Iran.
Aslan,
these are not government lies, these are facts that I witnessed personally.
I have been living and working in an islamic country for 10 years and I do speak arabic. What I wrote I have seen it with my eyes.
Giorgio wrote:Do you think is correct for someone not to have any legal right because he is not muslim?
Do you think is correct to condemn someone to death because he refuses or he stops to believe in Allah?
Giargio
You're a cultured man. These things are really lies. Western governments benefit from spreading lies against Iran.
Aslan,
these are not government lies, these are facts that I witnessed personally.
I have been living and working in an islamic country for 10 years and I do speak arabic. What I wrote I have seen it with my eyes.
Dear Giorgio, not here in Iran. Maybe other countries.
GIThruster wrote:Only a Muslim could support a nation that makes genocidal threats against others--others they really have no contact with and no reason to form friction, but whom they have stated a genocidal commitment toward-then make a thread here pretending they want peace while that nation is working as hard and fast as possible to have a nuclear weapon.
Straight truth: Mutually Assured Destruction worked during the cold war because it was between reasonable parties. Iran is in no way reasonable, and cannot be allowed to have nuclear weapons; because the people in power there, are crazy enough to use them.
How crazy is the leadership in Iran? Crazy as a loon. Look at what Ahmadinejad said just today:
Who can believe such crazy nonsense? This kind of delusional separation from reality is what makes Iran a danger to the world, because Iran's leaders cannot be expected to act rationally. Just as with in denying the holocaust, or thinking the US controls the IAEA, Ahmadinejad shows through his most public acts, he is CRAZY AS A LOON.
Dear GIThruster,
Here is an open-source forum. I never insult anyone. Please do not insult too.