10KW LENR demonstrator (new thread)

[Skipjack]

I dont get the animousity, guys.
There are two options.
Option A)
The client is real.
Then the test was real and the client is convinced enough by the test and the results to put down HIS money for the e-cat.
If the e-cat turned out to be not real, you can be sure that the client will want his money back and we will hear about that very soon.
Option B)
The client is not real and all that is part of a big conspiracy with the intention to fraud... someone...

Either way, we should know very soon.
Once Rossi has received the money from the client, we can assume that the client is real.
How do we know that Rossi got the money from the client?
When he has the cash to pay the UoB and the university of Upsala for the research on the e-cat. He allegedly cant pay them for the research because he allegedly does not have the money. So in order to have the money, he would need to make some REAL sales.
Once the UoB and UoU start looking into the e-cat, we can be certain that it is NOT a fraud, because they would undoubtedly uncover any fraud very quickly.
This would still leave the option that both Rossi and Focardi suffer from self delusion, which would also be uncovered very quickly.
I have to say though that this would be the oddest case of self and mass delusion I have seen in a while.

The other way round, if Rossi was to come up with all sorts of lame excuses or starts delaying things, then we can draw conclusions from that too.

[Betruger]

As soon as we learn the secret sauce we will be right on it.

For the secret sauce process you need to fry the onions at low temperature with lot of oil before adding the fresh tomatoes...... we are talking about that type of sauce right?

My mate is part Italian. We are big olive oil fans. We like to get naked and rub it all over. Heck of a sauce. I get more energy out of that than Rossi will ever get out of an e-cat.

I dont get the animousity, guys.

Irreverence for a scandalously vacuous cold fusion fanfare. Did P&F never happen or what?

[MSimon]

Send me more money.

Show me a H-Ni demo producing 1/1000 the output of Rossi and you might have something to brag about.

That would be something if Rossi had been asking for money since January. Instead, he has promised to deliver a 1MW plant for paying customers by the end of October. In that time, there have been over 5000 posts on Talk-polywell, mostly not constructive, to put it mildly.

It's almost as if some of you are bitter about betting on the wrong horse.

Several reputable people who wish to remain anonymous have checked it out thoroughly and I assure you they vouch for what I have accomplished in the face of oil cartel, coal interests, and nuclear power resistance. You do want want to put those fellows out of business don't you? I have the answer. Your resistance to my efforts only shows you to be in cahoots with the interests opposing my efforts.

Don't wait too long or you will miss your opportunity. I'm currently negotiating with several businesses who intend to buy thousands of my devices. Once that happens your opportunity will vanish.

Send me money now and I PROMISE to be eternally grateful. Plus I will give you a share of the energy generated (assuming you have a need for it). You will have to bring your own truck though. I don't make deliveries.

Besides isn't the word of a retired aerospace engineer worth more than the word of a retired criminal?

[Crawdaddy]

Congratulations!

You guys have taken hand-waving to a whole new level!

Please post some more about how you can make a fake e-cat that would fool anyone.

Please post more youtube clips of kettles!

Instead of making inane and useless posts here, why don't you go read Focardi's original papers? Oh I forgot, none of you have academic access to journals.

[MSimon]

Instead of making inane and useless posts here, why don't you go read Focardi's original papers? Oh I forgot, none of you have academic access to journals.

Yeah. It is unfortunate that the information is not easily accessible.

But 470 Kw (according to Rossi) is very impressive.

[ScottL]

Congratulations!

You guys have taken hand-waving to a whole new level!

Please post some more about how you can make a fake e-cat that would fool anyone.

Please post more youtube clips of kettles!

Instead of making inane and useless posts here, why don't you go read Focardi's original papers? Oh I forgot, none of you have academic access to journals.

It's also unfortunate that their peers were never able to replicate their results with similar setups. Their experiments have been attempted by 2 Italian Universities as well as scientists at CERN, all stating that they were unable to replicate based on those very papers you wish us to read.

[icarus]

Sad emotional scenes here. The grapes have gotten decidedly sour around these parts ... does not bode well if/when Rossi's discovery sinks in for the hot fusion guys (who Polyweller's beat on) ... implosion of the research-industrial complex??

Edit: Anyone else seen the rumour that NATO is Rossi's customer?

[D Tibbets]

What is the difference between purifying and removing contaminates? Natural abundance of 62Ni is about 4% of all nickel. I doubt purifying it to 50% would effect the (real) radiation problem much. But, even that level of purification is difficult, and expensive. And what of the isotopic analysis that someone did?

Actually the difference is enormous. It is the distinction between having to select one minor isotope out of the middle of several around it versus taking the upper end of a smear of many where 58Ni is at the very bottom end.

As far as new physics or just incredible engineering or experimental claimes, didn't you read the first line of my post? To remind you I said 'new physics OR unsupported incredible claims.

Dan Tibbets

My question to whoever it was, that you responded to, was a request for illumination of his contention that "new physics" was required. Where your statements were appropriate to my question, I responded appropriately. Where they were not, I responded appropriately to that situation too!

I don't know why I continue to try . I'm not going to change KitemanSA's world view, nor is he going to change mine. In any case here are some more links related to the issue of endothermic vs eexothermic nuclear reactions:

http://www.enotes.com/topic/Nuclear_binding_energy
"As we go on to elements heavier than oxygen, the energy which can be gained by assembling them from lighter elements decreases, up to iron. For nuclei heavier than iron, one actually gains energy by breaking them up into 2 fragments. That, of course, is how energy is extracted by breaking up uranium nuclei in nuclear power reactors."


http://theenergylibrary.com/node/11782

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_peak

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hb ... ucbin.html

Dan Tibbets

[ScottL]

Sad emotional scenes here. The grapes have gotten decidedly sour around these parts ... does not bode well if/when Rossi's discovery sinks in for the hot fusion guys (who Polyweller's beat on) ... implosion of the research-industrial complex??

Edit: Anyone else seen the rumour that NATO is Rossi's customer?

Rumor after Rumor. I don't see any emotional scenes here, but certainly a lot of joking around. We've resigned to the fact that Rossi will never provide any peer-reviewed scientifc data and that's fine. We've beaten that horse enough and now that its a side show, we might as well get our laughs in.

For those not in the know, Focardi's previous experiments\papers have been peer-reviewed, and unfortunately none of the 3 institutions listed were able to replicate any anomalous heat. Considering the experiments setup looks pretty impressively simple, I just don't think 3 distinguished institutions could've gotten it wrong.

[KitemanSA]

LULZ.

You are displaying an odd sense of humor there.

My mate thinks I'm strange too (all that olive oil), but she likes it.

Heck-eck-eck-eck-eck, won't Popeye get pissed? You know how much he loves Olive Oyl!

[MSimon]

You are displaying an odd sense of humor there.

My mate thinks I'm strange too (all that olive oil), but she likes it.

Heck-eck-eck-eck-eck, won't Popeye get pissed? You know how much he loves Olive Oyl!

I'm Simon the Sailor Man.

[KitemanSA]

I don't know why I continue to try . I'm not going to change KitemanSA's world view, nor is he going to change mine. In any case here are some more links related to the issue of endothermic vs eexothermic nuclear reactions:

http://www.enotes.com/topic/Nuclear_binding_energy
"As we go on to elements heavier than oxygen, the energy which can be gained by assembling them from lighter elements decreases, up to iron. For nuclei heavier than iron, one actually gains energy by breaking them up into 2 fragments. That, of course, is how energy is extracted by breaking up uranium nuclei in nuclear power reactors."

Dan. Is hydrogen heavier than iron?
You keep saying and quoting things like this, and I keep agreeing. If you try to fuse "nuclei heavier than iron", it will be endothermic. But the reaction here is HYDROGEN. THINK HYDROGEN.
THINK HYDROGEN.
THINK HYDROGEN.

And by the way, the statement above is wrong when it says you get energy by splitting anything heavier than iron. Splitting Cu into two semi equal parts would be endothermic. The only time you release energy by fission is when the BE for the products is greater than the BE for the starting unit.

[KitemanSA]

I'm Simon the Sailor Man.

Oye, oye, skipper!

[icarus]

But as Arthur Schopenhauer used to say:

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

I guess we must be getting to the violent stage ....

[Giorgio]

Instead of making inane and useless posts here, why don't you go read Focardi's original papers? Oh I forgot, none of you have academic access to journals.

I did read them a couple of month ago but I didn't find anything inside that could be considered a proof of their statements.
Care to point me out what you consider the important passages for a validation of their theory or for a correct replication of their experiments?