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Axil
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KitemanSA wrote:
Axil wrote:Energy product risk is a relative concept.

The underwriters laboratory would not approve the installation of a nuclear reactor in your basement no matter if it was a current small navel reactor, a Pu238 nuclear battery, or a Rossi reactor.
As in "UL wouldn't be involved at all" or "UN wouldn't approve it if they were involved"? Why would UL be involved? And if they were involved, why would they care if it were nuclear?
Underwriters Laboratories Inc. (UL) is an independent product safety certification organization that certifies product safety primarily for the insurance industry. Most insurance underwriters will not write insurance for a house that contains a heating system or any product for that matter that is not certified by UL.

You cannot sell a commercial product in the United States, the EU or Japan without telling the UL how it works in detail and without first submitting it to safety regulatory agencies for testing and licensing.

In other words, the UL certifies that the product is safe to write a policy on your house, or whether Wall-mart can sell an electric fan and not get sued because it electrocutes a customer or causes a fire. They will have to test many commercial prototype Rossi devices, extensively, before they can make that determination.

Getting UL approval on a Rossi eCat will be a multi-year effort. I assume his "client" in the US is someone who does not require such approval. You can count those on the fingers of half a hand.

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cg66 wrote:
ScottL wrote:
Can't find any links to DOE, DOD, or Navy contracts with the link you provided. Nor can I find any current employees "on the record" stating such contracts with the link you provided. What I did find is another non gov site stating that they've had ~15 contracts with the government from 2000-10 but fails to provide contract numbers, money, or project reasoning. When I request the data download for amounts and contract numbers, this information is still blank from a non-gov site. I might add that according to this information LTI, Inc. is located in Bannock, Ohio (census-designated place in Richland township) which is actually a forwarding post office box.

Unfortunately I'll need a link to a gov site with some type of contract form whether pdf or web before I buy into any of these claims.
For what its worth here is the link to the Army Corps of Engineers report on Rossi's (Leonardo Technologies, Inc) thermoelectric work.

http://dodfuelcell.cecer.army.mil/libra ... (2004).pdf
From the report it looks like LTI of Pennsylvania was hired to create a device to get better power efficiecy, it doesn't look as though they were successful. The project ended with no further funding. This doesn't speak much for current contracts or the fact that the "owner" of LTI was part of the Bush administration when he was awarded these contracts. I can't find any information on any other employees at the company though.

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Post by seedload »

Giorgio wrote: These numbers make little to no sense......

Anyhow, after tomorrow we are supposed to get some replies, let's see what will be the news.
I wonder if the Nickel number is before or after miraculous enrichment?

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seedload wrote:
Giorgio wrote: These numbers make little to no sense......

Anyhow, after tomorrow we are supposed to get some replies, let's see what will be the news.
I wonder if the Nickel number is before or after miraculous enrichment?
Whichever is more convenient for Rossi, I'm sure.

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Axil wrote: Underwriters Laboratories Inc. (UL) is an independent product safety certification organization that certifies product safety primarily for the insurance industry. .
None of which says why they would care if it were "nuclear".

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seedload wrote: I wonder if the Nickel number is before or after miraculous enrichment?
In what way "miraculous"?

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Post by tomclarke »

Axil wrote:
KitemanSA wrote:
Axil wrote:Energy product risk is a relative concept.

The underwriters laboratory would not approve the installation of a nuclear reactor in your basement no matter if it was a current small navel reactor, a Pu238 nuclear battery, or a Rossi reactor.
As in "UL wouldn't be involved at all" or "UN wouldn't approve it if they were involved"? Why would UL be involved? And if they were involved, why would they care if it were nuclear?
Underwriters Laboratories Inc. (UL) is an independent product safety certification organization that certifies product safety primarily for the insurance industry. Most insurance underwriters will not write insurance for a house that contains a heating system or any product for that matter that is not certified by UL.

You cannot sell a commercial product in the United States, the EU or Japan without telling the UL how it works in detail and without first submitting it to safety regulatory agencies for testing and licensing.

In other words, the UL certifies that the product is safe to write a policy on your house, or whether Wall-mart can sell an electric fan and not get sued because it electrocutes a customer or causes a fire. They will have to test many commercial prototype Rossi devices, extensively, before they can make that determination.

Getting UL approval on a Rossi eCat will be a multi-year effort. I assume his "client" in the US is someone who does not require such approval. You can count those on the fingers of half a hand.
Well, funding Rossi is no more extravagant than funding people to stare at goats...

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polyill wrote:
Giorgio wrote:
vivoaca wrote:Enough of tripe. What I really wanted to reveal is "Hey, you know who is Rossi's new customer for the 1MW power plant?" Youuuu guessed it, U.S. Navy!
Is this yet another sourceless info or you do have an actual source for it?
Anyone? A confirmation, a contradiction?
anyone?

or were you just trying to wind us up vivoaca, with even more unfounded rumor, speculation and 'half truths' than we have already been subjected to? (how cruel you are) ;)

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tomclarke wrote: Well, funding Rossi is no more extravagant than funding people to stare at goats...
.. do you have something against professional goat starers? i should like to know.

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Axil wrote:Getting UL approval on a Rossi eCat will be a multi-year effort. I assume his "client" in the US is someone who does not require such approval. You can count those on the fingers of half a hand.
Since we only have Rossi as a source that there actually is a client, I suspect that you can count the number of clients on no hands.
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KitemanSA wrote:
seedload wrote:/me prepares for the semantic discussion regarding the correct usage of the word "likely".
Always the obliging fellow, I guess I should discuss it. "Likely" seems correctly used to me. The lead-in pronoun phrase however... :wink:
Never used IRC?

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KitemanSA wrote:
seedload wrote: I wonder if the Nickel number is before or after miraculous enrichment?
In what way "miraculous"?
We went through this. Despite speculations, my opinion is that his claims of cheap isotopic separation, now forgotten, would be miraculous. Speculative processes discussed here provided no proof of the breakthrough. Scientific papers regarding innovative processes provided no signs of either 'cheapness' or of factory ready scalability. My opinion never changed on this. Besides, the math never worked out on isotopic ratios. It is still my second miracle.

Some other things that were forgotten.

He was building the 1 MW plant in America to be shipped to Greece. It was ready but, oops, he didn't have a container. Now suddenly, it is being built there to be shipped to America. What happened to the missing container? What happened to the finished 1 MW plant in the US that was stranded because of no shipping container?

What happened to the production facility (apartment) in Florida? Why would he have even had a production facility there if the units were going to be produced by Defkalion?

You and I continue to disagree about this issue because you continue to hopefully argue the merits of the scientific possibility and I continue to consider the lack of plausibility in such a miraculous breakthrough being accompanied by so much steaming hot BS.

Having re-staked my BS claim, I now wander back off into lurker land.

regards

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Post by KitemanSA »

seedload wrote: Having re-staked my BS claim, I now wander back off into lurker land.
Yup, your claims are BS. :D

You do seem to have a penchant for mis-reading stuff.

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Post by icarus »

"How much nickel and hydrogen will it take to generate one megawatt of heat continuously for six months?"

Andrea Rossi
October 25th, 2011 at 4:59 PM

Dear Thomas Blakeslee:
Grams/Power for a 180 days charge
Hydrogen: 18000 g
Nickel: 10000 g
Warm Regards,
A.R.
4320 MW.hr from 18 kg H2 and 10 kg Ni (enriched 'somehow')

Naval vessel 100 MW class annual fuel 3.6 ton H2 and 2 ton Ni. (But how would you squeeze 100 containers into a destroyer? )

1 GigaWatt nuke complex replacement annual fuel 36 ton H2 and 20 ton Ni.

Global average energy consumption 15 TeraWatts annual fuel 540,000 ton H2 and 300,000 ton Ni.

Buy Nickel futures?

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Post by Carl White »

icarus wrote:Buy Nickel futures?
If I remember correctly, Rossi stated that most of the nickel could be recovered and reused. So, perhaps it would be best to hold off buying those futures.

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