10KW LENR demonstrator (new thread)

Giorgio · Post by **Giorgio** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:36 am

Axil wrote:In other words, Rossi uses a Alkaline-doped metal-oxide or carbon surfaces under high pressure and temperature (e.g., promoted catalyst surfaces) to provide high densities of Rydberg species including Alkaline Rydberg matter.

Axil, neither you, me or anyone else except Rossi knows what is inside that reactor. What' the sense of making all this baseless hypothesis?
What number is this? 100? 150? I really don't get it.

Axil wrote:These clusters of Alkaline atom Rydberg species quantum blockade hydrogen atoms to breed clusters of hydrogen Rydberg matter.

Yet another collection of random words here.
If you took care to read the very same paper you posted a couple of posts ago you should get this by yourself.
The blockade process requires a physical 3D confinement of the atoms.
The Rydberg matter is an open 2D state of matter, ready to break on the third dimension at the first occasion.

Do you see why your statement makes no sense?

Axil wrote:These various Rydberg matter clusters last a long time and provide coherent hunks of metallic hydrogen to interact with the nickel surface.

This is such a nonsense that I will not even attempt to explain to you why.

Let me try to make you guys understand something.
IF, and that's a BIG IF, this reaction really occurs and it is mediated by a BEC condensate at high temperature than it means also that we have the road open not only to cold fusion but also to High temperature superconductors and Superfluidity, as both are mediated by BEC.

Again, and try to have a minimum of intellectual honesty here, do you really think that NO ONE in these fields ever noticed that you can get BEC, HTSC, and HTSF from hydrogen in a nickel lattice?

Joseph Chikva · Post by **Joseph Chikva** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 1:05 pm

Giorgio wrote:Again, and try to have a minimum of intellectual honesty here, do you really think that NO ONE in these fields ever noticed that you can get BEC, HTSC, and HTSF from hydrogen in a nickel lattice?

Kiteman states that not well trained man even like Rossi can accidentally discover all you mentioned above.

Joseph Chikva · Post by **Joseph Chikva** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 1:22 pm

Axil wrote:Mainstream science today think that Rydberg matter is an exotic lab curiosity and will not be available for many years, if at all.

But

http://www.maik.ru/full/lasphys/02/2/la ... 35full.pdf

Dear Mr. Axil,
There is no in Russia more mainstream science institution than Kurchatov Institute.

Nonlinear Optics Department, Russian Research Centre Kurchatov Institute.

For your note academician Kurchatov is father of Russian nuke bomb. But I never heard about any claims of any people working there similar to that Rossi's claims.

KitemanSA · Post by **KitemanSA** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 2:57 pm

Joseph Chikva wrote:
Giorgio wrote:Again, and try to have a minimum of intellectual honesty here, do you really think that NO ONE in these fields ever noticed that you can get BEC, HTSC, and HTSF from hydrogen in a nickel lattice?
Kiteman states that not well trained man even like Rossi can accidentally discover all you mentioned above.

More that someone like Rossi could accidentally MAKE one. I don't think he has "discovered" anything, except maybe that something makes anomalous heat.

parallel · Post by **parallel** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:04 pm

Andrea Rossi
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:49 AM

Dear Franco Morici:
Good Sunday also to you, while I write this comment we are testing the 1 MW plant, which is working well so far. I am very sorry of the very restricted attendance, due to the particular kind of our Customer, but during the test on this blog we will transmit the main data of the test every hour, while at midnight we will publish the full report and a video. The direct transmission is not possible because the officers of the Customer want not to be videotaped.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

polyill · Post by **polyill** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:32 pm

while at midnight we will publish the full report and a video.

yeah, cause at midnight the 1MW power plant transforms into a pumpkin..

The direct transmission is not possible because the officers of the Customer want not to be videotaped.

hmm... 28 October night is Sabbath, the Customer must be Hasidim - they would never let shoot themselves on video on Sabbath... On the other hand, they wouldn't test a plant on Sabbath too. Hmmm.. must be someone else

might be martians... or maybe Iranian Revolutionary Guards.

Joseph Chikva · Post by **Joseph Chikva** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:48 pm

KitemanSA wrote:I don't think he has "discovered" anything, except maybe that something makes anomalous heat.

His "methods" of measurement of heat give errors exceeding claimed numbers. Less interesting at least for me is that conscious lie or attempt to give out wished for the valid.
Let's wait as I understand one week and see how he will sell his 1MW plant. I am tired to explain you self-evident things.

Joseph Chikva · Post by **Joseph Chikva** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:55 pm

parallel wrote:because the officers of the Customer want not to be videotaped.

There was a French movie in my youth as well as Rossi's youth "Tall blonde with yellow boot"

parallel · Post by **parallel** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 6:22 pm

KitemanSA,

I don't think he has "discovered" anything, except maybe that something makes anomalous heat.

I suppose those two bicycle mechanics didn't "discover" anything either, except maybe powered flight.

AcesHigh · Post by **AcesHigh** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:19 pm

parallel wrote:KitemanSA,
I don't think he has "discovered" anything, except maybe that something makes anomalous heat.
I suppose those two bicycle mechanics didn't "discover" anything either, except maybe powered flight.

sorry, that was Santos Dumont.

ScottL · Post by **ScottL** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:44 pm

parallel wrote:KitemanSA,
I don't think he has "discovered" anything, except maybe that something makes anomalous heat.
I suppose those two bicycle mechanics didn't "discover" anything either, except maybe powered flight.

Furthermore they were active seeking flight with wings, not flying off with a simple bicycle.

icarus · Post by **icarus** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:25 pm

Giorgio wrote:
icarus wrote:Okay, just humour us Giorgio (assume we are as stupid as you seem to be suggesting) ... I'm interested to see how your physics thought process goes.

Assume Rossi's device is producing excess heat, undetectable radiation emission, contains enriched Ni 62 & 64 powder, H2 gas, etc, etc.

How would you hazard a guess as to what is going on?
Look, it does not work that way. If you think you have discovered a new process you either offer an explanation for it or you clearly PROVE it and ask others to try to explain it.
Till now Rossi did not put forward any explanation for this nor clearly proved it. What should we talk about?
I'll quote Chrismb when he stated that the best explanation to date for the Rossi reactor has to be researched in the realm of the Tooth Fairy.

If you want to discuss seriously this stuff, bring some data, REAL data.

icarus wrote:Note: Talk-polywell is not a peer-review journal contribution just a place where some guys are shooting the breeze whilst endlessly waiting for fragments of info from a "blacked-out" fusion project that shall remain unmentionable ....(it is easy to run others down least you have to show your true abilities ... or lack thereof.)
That does not mean that you can just breeze out the first thing that passes out in your brain without even understanding what you are talking about, like the nonsense you just did of trying to apply those microcavity experimental results to a Nickel lattice.
You should read and understand what they did before offering it as an hypothesis to any possible Cold Fusion process.

No, I didn't really think you would put any original ideas into the debate ... oh, well worth a try.

As for data, I'd say there is more data in public domain regards Rossi's excess heat than Polywell's neutrons .... yet Polywell "theory" is discussed endlessly here with a straight face, it seems.

So your appeals to "data" ring pretty hollow. The amount of crazy theories infesting physics now without a shred of evidence are manifold, dark energy, dark matter, wormholes, Higgs boson, etc, etc. No doubt you have something to say about lack of data for any of those too??

You could have just summed it up with "I don't speculate" or "I can't speculate" or "My imagination doesn't stretch that far".

Axil · Post by **Axil** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:33 pm

@ icarus

The stiletto of your logic is fearful indeed. My blade work pales in comparison. I look forward with glee to the trust and parry from your adversary and the copious spray of blood.

And on thy blade and dudgeon gouts of blood,
Which was not so before. There's no such thing:
It is the bloody business which informs
Thus to mine eyes (Speaker, Macbeth: 2.1.44-46, 57-60)

Skipjack · Post by **Skipjack** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:12 am

As for data, I'd say there is more data in public domain regards Rossi's excess heat than Polywell's neutrons .... yet Polywell "theory" is discussed endlessly here with a straight face, it seems.

Well the polywell at least has a theory that does not require the invention of some new physics. So basically the theory was there before the device.
There is still no such thing for Rossis device.
Further, nobody said that the polywell would work with 100% certainty. Everybody, including the people working on it, say that they are evaluating it as objectively as possible.
The data is being made available to a peer review panel that then judges the data and the quality of the data presented as well.
Rossi has never seen any such scrutiny, unless you want to call the people discussing his work here and elsewhere as a peer review panel. If you do that, then he definitely has failed.
So no, there is absolutely no comparison between Rossis device and the Polywell.
That does not mean that it does not work. It does mean however, that he has not managed to present his device and data, etc in a way that is convincing, nor has he presented a theory that is convincing.

Giorgio · Post by **Giorgio** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:11 am

icarus wrote:No, I didn't really think you would put any original ideas into the debate ... oh, well worth a try.

I am still waiting to hear from anyone an original idea about the possible workings of Rossi Cold Fusion device and his regardless if it really works or not.
All what I hear till now from you and Axil are patchworks of random papers taken from internet that do not stand the scrutiny of a good high schooler.

icarus wrote:As for data, I'd say there is more data in public domain regards Rossi's excess heat than Polywell's neutrons .... yet Polywell "theory" is discussed endlessly here with a straight face, it seems.

If you think that on this board there is a general acceptance of Polywell theory or Polywell workings than you clearly didn't read or didn't understand most of the posts that people have made here in the past 4 years.

icarus wrote:So your appeals to "data" ring pretty hollow. The amount of crazy theories infesting physics now without a shred of evidence are manifold, dark energy, dark matter, wormholes, Higgs boson, etc, etc. No doubt you have something to say about lack of data for any of those too??

Well, as I always stated I do not believe in Wormholes, Dark matter, Dark Energy, the Higgs Boson. So, what's your point exactly?
Are you trying to tell me that I should care for the fantasies of the others like you are trying to make me care about yours?
I hear a clear noise of you trying to climb a mirror here....

icarus wrote:You could have just summed it up with "I don't speculate" or "I can't speculate" or "My imagination doesn't stretch that far".

I am bringing you some exact points on why yours and Axil's speculations are wrong and where they fail on the physics and logic point of view and all what you can reply is that I have not enough imagination? Why don't you reply with some real counter arguments once in a while? Oh, wait.... I know the answer to that, you do not have any.