10KW LENR demonstrator (new thread)

[ScottL]

And Steven Krivit remains silent after his 10 Oct post over at New Energy Times.

I, for one, find this peculiar. Especially given that he has not opened the 10 Oct posting for comments.

http://blog.newenergytimes.com/

Sometimes its just better to get out of the way and let fools be fools.

[KitemanSA]

KitemanSA,

Seems to be a problem converting from per minute to per hour. 12,060kW. left out a zero. More in hand than I thought. Which makes sense. I would allow a x10 safety factor. Maybe he wants an even lower back pressure.

It has nothing to do with "minutes" versus "hours". 202kW is 0.202 MW, minutes or hours not-with-standing.

[D Tibbets]

I have thought of hydrogen. You are the confused one.
A simple reaction describing the process of Binding energy per nucleon.

62 Ni + ~ 8.9 MeV (energy needed to pull one nucleon (proton in this case)off of the parent nuclei) --yields -- 61 Co + Proton (hydrogen nucleus.
The reverse reaction is 61 Co + P --yields- 62Ni + ~8.8 MeV
Note that the energy balance is not equal . It is this energy difference that allows for exothermic energy yielding nuclear reaction..

Absurd! The binding energy needed to get from 62Ni to 61Co = 11MeV each way. (62*8.7945)-(61*8.7561)=11.1369
PLEASE learn this stuff and stop making a fool of yourself!

I have tried to explain things to others and to myself. . I know you will not be convinced otherwise, but I wanted to remind others that Rossi's claims are challenged not only on his unsupportable calorimetry methods, but also on his unsupported 62nickel enrichment claims. And, if you believe my arguments or not, you should at least pay attention to the Physics sources spelling out the competing forces and clear statements that Ni62 (or sometimes stipulating Fe56) is the dead end for exothermic fusion reactions.

Many sources have been given far back in this topic thread and it's parent thread.
Do not call me a fool. Instead contest with the resources. One of the simplest and straight forward is:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hb ... ucbin.html

Dan Tibbets

[KitemanSA]

Giorgio,

Where the heck do you see plenty in hand of safety in those numbers?

12,060kW capacity for steam with a 1 psi gauge pressure drop.

Hey, listen up. If your first equality is correct (11,500BTU/min = 202kW; and it is) then the capacity is 0.2MW, not 12MW. You are off by almost 2 OoM.

[KitemanSA]

I have tried to explain things to others and to myself. . I know you will not be convinced otherwise, but I wanted to remind others that Rossi's claims are challenged not only on his unsupportable calorimetry methods, but also on his unsupported 62nickel enrichment claims. And, if you believe my arguments or not, you should at least pay attention to the Physics sources spelling out the competing forces and clear statements that Ni62 (or sometimes stipulating Fe56) is the dead end for exothermic fusion reactions.

What you seem to want to continuously disregard is that the claimed Rossi reaction includes Hydrogen which is as FAR from a dead end as it is possible to be.

Ni + Ni ... endothermic. {{End of Stellar FUSION Process, though not the end of the Stellar Transmutation Process which is Bismuth}}

H + Ni ... EXOthermic. {{In the Stellar Transmutation Process. Possibly in the LENR chain too}}

H + ANY stable isotope ... EXOthermic (except H + 4He) {{The STP}}

THINK HYDROGEN!!!

[Crawdaddy]

Parallel

Interesting link thank you:

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/22657/22 ... /flow.html

Am I crazy or does table 68 show that a pipe with around 3 square inches of area can pass 60lbs of water per minute at 25psi absolute pressure?

here is a youtube video of a 25MW steam generator:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHDLE6gIeyA

[parallel]

Giorgio,

Where the heck do you see plenty in hand of safety in those numbers?

12,060kW capacity for steam with a 1 psi gauge pressure drop.

Hey, listen up. If your first equality is correct (11,500BTU/min = 202kW; and it is) then the capacity is 0.2MW, not 12MW. You are off by almost 2 OoM.

202kW per minute

[KitemanSA]

Giorgio, 12,060kW capacity for steam with a 1 psi gauge pressure drop.

Hey, listen up. If your first equality is correct (11,500BTU/min = 202kW; and it is) then the capacity is 0.2MW, not 12MW. You are off by almost 2 OoM.

202kW per minute

This makes no sense. What the heck is a kW per minute? Joules per second = watts. kWatts per second = ridiculousness.

The equation is 11,500BTU/min = 202kW... no "per minute" or any other time rate of change of kW.

[Crawdaddy]

Kiteman is correct.

According to the link, 220 kW is the amount of steam a 2" pipe can carry over a distamce of around 40 feet and only lose 1 psi of pressure to friction with the pipe walls.

of course that fact means absolutely nothing when it comes to predicting that the reactor would blow if it generated the predicted power.

In fact it appears to me that the available information shows that the pipe could sustain 1MW of steam, approximately 60lbsper minute at a modest pressure of 25psi.

But hey, continue to argue how much power the 2" pipe could support and only sustain a 1psi pressure drop over a few hundred inches. It isn't a waste of time at all.

The time for hand waving arguments is over. Please put a little effort into your posts.

I am very sad that the participants in this discussion are so biased and dishonest that they repeatedly fail to remark on egregiously erroneous arguments as long as they don't conflict with their predetermined notion that the device does not work. I mean seriously! If the reaction of hydrogen on nickel really was endothermic and a poster repeatedly claimed at length that it was exothermic, about a hundred of you would chime in. Yet, when a poster makes such posts claiming the reaction is endothermic when it is not you remain silent.

This discussion lacks objectivity. It is an embarrassment.

Even in the significantly probable case that this whole fiasco turns out to be fraud, it is a virtual certainty that mechanism of fraud will not have appeared in these pages.

[icarus]

Hilarious ... now the "it's a fraud" crowd are claiming it is an unsafe nuclear device and will blow up Bologna ... after pounding the table about lack of nuclear reaction evidence.

All those emotional skeptics who are convinced that there are no reactions going on should be made to stand next to the thing when Rossi fires it up for the first time .... that'll test the power of their convictions ... hahaha.

[Joseph Chikva]

All those emotional skeptics who are convinced that there are no reactions going on

I am non-emotional skeptics and stating that for claiming that exothermic nuclear reactor goes in crystal lattice Rossi also should provide corresponding evidence proving that heat generated by device can not be explained with electric input or chemical reaction.
He did not or could not. For me "did not" and "could not" are the same.
Without any emotion. Regardless to what Rossi will make with his genious devise: to burn it, to explode, to throw into the river or to hand over in scrap metal and then to buy his own coffee machine.

[Luzr]

Giorgio, 12,060kW capacity for steam with a 1 psi gauge pressure drop.

Hey, listen up. If your first equality is correct (11,500BTU/min = 202kW; and it is) then the capacity is 0.2MW, not 12MW. You are off by almost 2 OoM.

202kW per minute

Ah, now I see. This explains your uncritical support of all that Rossi says.

Recomend you to revisit some basic high-school physics, especially the course which explains the difference between POWER and ENERGY

[tomclarke]

And Steven Krivit remains silent after his 10 Oct post over at New Energy Times.

I, for one, find this peculiar. Especially given that he has not opened the 10 Oct posting for comments.

http://blog.newenergytimes.com/

Sometimes its just better to get out of the way and let fools be fools.

Krivit is an LENR guy, having seen & exposed Rossi's lack of credibility he reckons the whole circus is bad for the field, so he won't want to continue commenting beyond checking whether his original conclusion needs revisiting. He thinks continual blog excitement over something that is nothing not helpful.

[tomclarke]

Hilarious ... now the "it's a fraud" crowd are claiming it is an unsafe nuclear device and will blow up Bologna ... after pounding the table about lack of nuclear reaction evidence.

All those emotional skeptics who are convinced that there are no reactions going on should be made to stand next to the thing when Rossi fires it up for the first time .... that'll test the power of their convictions ... hahaha.

I had not noticed any emotional skeptics...

[Giorgio]

Giorgio,

Where the heck do you see plenty in hand of safety in those numbers?

12,060kW capacity for steam with a 1 psi gauge pressure drop.

In a 2" pipeline?????? Are you insane?