10KW LENR demonstrator (new thread)

Betruger · Post by **Betruger** » Fri Sep 30, 2011 8:24 pm

So much grandstanding....

Joseph Chikva · Post by **Joseph Chikva** » Fri Sep 30, 2011 8:50 pm

tomclarke wrote:Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. In absence of which it is correct to assume them false.

Extraordinary claims require only ordinary evidence.

But they could not.

stefanbanev · Post by **stefanbanev** » Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:27 pm

http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/09/ ... mment-1995

How Steven Krivit is going to report of the upcoming Rossi tests? Clearly, he is not going to be invited. It is worth to notice that Dennis Bushnell did not confirm the test failure he basically confirmed that the test did not take place. It seems NASA is looking for CF option with less personification then Rossi case preferably within US origin... it looks a quite dirty game what is not a surprise taking into account the strategic importance of this technology...

btw, Steven did no post my question on his blog; strange he used to allow a way more critical comments

ScottL · Post by **ScottL** » Sat Oct 01, 2011 12:43 am

According to the link you provided, Dennis Bushnell said they went and observed the eCat and the results were not positive. If this is the case, I suspect Bushnell will be lumped in with Krivit soon in Rossi's book.

ScottL · Post by **ScottL** » Sat Oct 01, 2011 12:53 am

stefanbanev wrote:http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/09/ ... mment-1995

How Steven Krivit is going to report of the upcoming Rossi tests? Clearly, he is not going to be invited. It is worth to notice that Dennis Bushnell did not confirm the test failure he basically confirmed that the test did not take place. It seems NASA is looking for CF option with less personification then Rossi case preferably within US origin... it looks a quite dirty game what is not a surprise taking into account the strategic importance of this technology...

btw, Steven did no post my question on his blog; strange he used to allow a way more critical comments

This question?

http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/09/ ... mment-1949

KitemanSA · Post by **KitemanSA** » Sat Oct 01, 2011 1:04 am

sparkyy0007 wrote: Specifics?? I provided 2 energy balances, how much more specific do you need?
Is there an error in the calculations or assumptions, and if there is please explain.

I realize 2 null demos and lies does not mean he has nothing to show, but ...

Energy balances? Sorry, you've gone rather far afield from the issue as I understand it.
You said, "no data".
I said "yes data".
You said "I didn't say "no data"
I quoted you saying "no data".
You say... "energy balances"????? Uhm. Ok.

KitemanSA · Post by **KitemanSA** » Sat Oct 01, 2011 1:07 am

Crawdaddy wrote: Since the control is simply repeating the experiment without pressurizing with hydrogen I doubt that honest error is an adequate explanation for the claims.

Fraud or legitimacy are vastly more likely.

Or delusion.

Maui · Post by **Maui** » Sat Oct 01, 2011 1:14 am

nferguso wrote:The day of decision is October 6. The location of the test is announced, and will be independently observed. I can hardly wait.

But how many times has this supposedly happened already? And every time it does, it seems the results are even more questionable than before.

We know by now these demos are not going to answer anything one way or the other. The only thing that really matters is whether Rossi gets any buyers. (and by "buyers" I mean companies that have paid for delivered products, not companies that have promised to pay for a supposed product if Rossi can really produce the supposed product)

He has put a tremendous amount of money into the 1 MW plant - his own money, he claims.

Exactly. The only thing we "know" about this are what Rossi claims. In other words, we don't know anything.

stefanbanev · Post by **stefanbanev** » Sat Oct 01, 2011 1:40 am

ScottL wrote:
stefanbanev wrote:http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/09/ ... mment-1995

How Steven Krivit is going to report of the upcoming Rossi tests? Clearly, he is not going to be invited. It is worth to notice that Dennis Bushnell did not confirm the test failure he basically confirmed that the test did not take place. It seems NASA is looking for CF option with less personification then Rossi case preferably within US origin... it looks a quite dirty game what is not a surprise taking into account the strategic importance of this technology...

btw, Steven did no post my question on his blog; strange he used to allow a way more critical comments
This question?

http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/09/ ... mment-1949

No, it was the same question/comment I posted here, as well as Rossi did not allow the similar US/NASA/CF comments on his blog. I guess both patty try to keep this under carpet for the different reasons; besides, this word-game is quite indicative as well, apparently we see just a tip of ...

sparkyy0007 · Post by **sparkyy0007** » Sat Oct 01, 2011 2:32 am

KitemanSA wrote:
sparkyy0007 wrote: Specifics?? I provided 2 energy balances, how much more specific do you need?
Is there an error in the calculations or assumptions, and if there is please explain.

I realize 2 null demos and lies does not mean he has nothing to show, but ...
Energy balances? Sorry, you've gone rather far afield from the issue as I understand it.
You said, "no data".
I said "yes data".
You said "I didn't say "no data"
I quoted you saying "no data".
You say... "energy balances"????? Uhm. Ok.

What I said was "there is No data to back Rossi's excess energy claims"
and provided you with the math on the available data. If you don't want to read it but just insist on mis-quoting my responses, that's fine. Either way this is a waste of time and I am done. Lets agree to disagree and wait for the Oct 6 demo. I hope I am wrong.

sparkyy0007 · Post by **sparkyy0007** » Sat Oct 01, 2011 2:57 am

This is great,I love it..
http://ecat.com/

Betruger · Post by **Betruger** » Sat Oct 01, 2011 3:07 am

Cue all caps rebuke with eloquent biblical metaphor.

ScottL · Post by **ScottL** » Sat Oct 01, 2011 4:55 am

sparkyy0007 wrote:This is great,I love it..
http://ecat.com/

Haha that was awesome.

Crawdaddy · Post by **Crawdaddy** » Sat Oct 01, 2011 5:47 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeBOVQUr ... re=related

Too bad that video is a joke.

KitemanSA · Post by **KitemanSA** » Sat Oct 01, 2011 1:35 pm

sparkyy0007 wrote: What I said was "there is No data to back Rossi's excess energy claims"

To which I wrote:Sure there is data, but there is debate about the quality and validity of said data. Heck, there seems to be more data on the Rossi reactor than the Polywell.

to which you responded that I didn't read and you provided me with the math on the available data. Fine, but the fact that you provided "math on the available data" just proves my quote above.

Talk-Polywell.org

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