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10KW LENR demonstrator (new thread)
Look, if the e-cat works you just need to take one and test it in front of the investor's engineers. You need not to make a network of 300 of them to make a test. This is really something that should be clear to anyone, regardless of the e-cat working or not.parallel wrote:If that works, the anomalous heat will be large enough to quiet all critics and he has an "angel investor" ready to go if the 1 MW plant tests out.
That said I would like to close this discussion as it will really not bring us to any conclusion until October. Let's take a deep breath and just wait.
tomclarke wrote:
Of course engineers would have run a better test, but see above.
What a hoot. As if academics think engineers are good for anything better than oiling machines. A very good, foolproof test was run by Levi when he just increased the flow of water (no steam) for an 18 hour test. Did everyone believe that?Had he let engineers conduct sensible tests (without revealing any secrets) under his control his single low-power e-cat would have been enough.
Of course engineers would have run a better test, but see above.
Gutenberg's press was an inevitable outcome of the invention of paper. All the pieces of the Gutenberg press were existant beore his time EXCEPT something cheap to print onto. If the sheets cost 5 times as much as the monk writing on it, there is little purpose to make that monk's work cheaper. PAPER is it invention to note, not the press.Skipjack wrote:Lots of inventions. Start with book printing a la Gutenberg, e.g. It made the spreading of knowledge easier and that advanced civilization and technology at a much accelerated pace. Before that books were rare and very expensive. I think that was probably the most important invention ever. After that probably the practical use of electricity (there were lots of inventions related to that and I cant really say which one would be the most important one of them) and the telegraph.You didn't answer the question of which inventions would be greater.
It is often the case that it is the invention of a new MATERIAL that spurs the inventive nature.
Unless it only works 40% of the time for some unknown reason. In such a case, redundancy is key.Giorgio wrote:Look, if the e-cat works you just need to take one and test it in front of the investor's engineers. You need not to make a network of 300 of them to make a test.parallel wrote:If that works, the anomalous heat will be large enough to quiet all critics and he has an "angel investor" ready to go if the 1 MW plant tests out.
Giorgio,
I have no doubt that one or more E-Cats were demonstrated in front of the investor's engineers. Even so, when $100 million is involved it would be nice for the investor to know that the device is repeatable. Cold fusion has a history of not being repeatable due to unknown changes in the raw materials and other unknown reasons. I give Rossi credit for specifying that he wouldn't get paid until the 1 MW unit performs to specification. I know you don't.Look, if the e-cat works you just need to take one and test it in front of the investor's engineers. You need not to make a network of 300 of them to make a test. This is really something that should be clear to anyone, regardless of the e-cat working or not
Well yes and no.Gutenberg's press was an inevitable outcome of the invention of paper. All the pieces of the Gutenberg press were existant beore his time EXCEPT something cheap to print onto.
The advance and success of paper mills was just as dependent on Gutenbergs printing as was Gutenberg on the availability of cheaper paper. The two developments helped each other. Also, while it is correct that some of the ideas had been around before, it was Gutenberg who invented the mechanized press with movable letters and the accompaniing method for making these letters cheaply and efficiently that brought the printing revolution.
Giorgio,
Like to take a small bet that Ampenergo is not the company?
The name is Ampenergo.As far as we know, this huge American customer could be as well Ampergo.
Like to take a small bet that Ampenergo is not the company?
I take it that you consider his word is completely valueless. Goes along with your view that Rossi is a liar and a fraud I suppose, although in that case, why are you wasting time on this thread? Trying to save people from investing when they can't anyway?I can't give him credits because it is just his word and nothing else.
Kiteman,
I would guess it as just a matter of time before someone invented a press like that. It was obvious and wouldn't take any stroke of genius to do it. I understand the first ones had wooden type.Gutenberg's press was an inevitable outcome of the invention of paper.
I don't find it to be in the same league as a cheap, clean, endless source of energy that could be used for anything, including vehicles.Movable clay type was first invented in China. in 1041.
The earliest dated printed book known is the "Diamond Sutra", printed in China in 868 CE. However, it is suspected that book printing may have occurred long before this date.
THE REAL REASON FOR THE 1 MW REACTOR AND ITS DEMOGiorgio wrote:Look, if the e-cat works you just need to take one and test it in front of the investor's engineers. You need not to make a network of 300 of them to make a test. This is really something that should be clear to anyone, regardless of the e-cat working or not.parallel wrote:If that works, the anomalous heat will be large enough to quiet all critics and he has an "angel investor" ready to go if the 1 MW plant tests out.
That said I would like to close this discussion as it will really not bring us to any conclusion until October. Let's take a deep breath and just wait.
Currently in America, Cold Fusion is not accepted as a valid engineering discipline deserving of intellectual property protection.
The American patent authorities have gone through great pains to educate each and every patent examiner that they supervise to recognize and expose any device that could possibly claim cold fusion either explicitly or implicitly as an underlying operating principle for immediate exclusion from any possible participation in the American patent process.
These patent decision makers fear that if just one such device were to get through this absolute excommunication, the US patent service would be a laughing stock and endure intolerable embarrassment and ridicule from all quarters of American society but especially from the press and from other organs of the government.
Cold fusion being totally devoid of credibility, Rossi first must make the field of cold fusion acceptable as a valid category of patentable devices before he can protect the ways and means of his invention from his competitors.
Rossi has decided that the best way to establish the bona fides of cold fusion is to sell his reactor on the open market and await a de facto recognition and certification through its generalized use throughout industry.
As a way to establish this generalize use of his reactor in industry, Rossi has decided on a strategy that uses the demonstration of his product to lend credence to the technology that underlays its invention to interest industrial users, rather than use scientific explanation and experiment to convince the academic community.
The details of how Rossi will execute his demo is not yet known, he intends to combine an army of small E-cat generators to produce at least 1 Mws of thermal power. This demo is growing near and will take place in late October- there are only days left.
But from the very inception of his reactor and continuing throughout its long development, his invention has been suffering from a terrible weakness. On occasion his reactor will run wild being completely impervious to any attempt at control. Clearly, this fault makes this energy catalyzing reactor inappropriate for use in the home in a single unit configuration.
Defkalian who wanted to serve the home market could not get Rossi to solve this intractable reactor control problem and as a result would not certify his reactor's design and pay Rossi for its successful delivery.
In those recent videos that show the tests of these subunits, the concern and uncertainty about the controllability of his reactor is plainly seen painted on his face. Rossi is clearly terrified and perplexed by these occasional runaways and subsequent burnouts that his reactors sometimes endures.
In each of these shakedown tests of the small 2.4 kw subunits, he intently watches his instruments for the tell-tail signs of the onset of wild subunit behavior. Any subunit that shows the slightest sign of aberrant behavior is immediately sent to the scrap pile. Because he does not yet understand the details of how his reactor really works or understands the fundamentals behind its function, he does not understand from first principles how to prevent these runaways from beginning or can control his reactor in an orderly way once burn-up has begun.
Rossi has been bedeviled by this control problem for many years to where now Rossi has been forced to downsize the capacity of his reactor to a very small energy production capability and use many of these small units ganged together to form a large industrial strength unit.
Rossi has come up with a way to cover up, adapt to, or mitigate this intractable and little understood reactor control problem which can occur from time to time in the Rossi reactor design.
Rossi has recently resolved to tolerate the occasional misbehavior of his reactor as long as it is not destructive and scarcely noticeable in the overall operation of his product.
Reactor run away conditions can be easily handled if this fault can be detected and rapidly segregated to a single and easily isolate-able low powered component of a very large capacity system. For example, a 2.5 kw reactor unit may runaway with power output of 25 Kws. This runaway condition can be hidden from any user visibility in a megawatt reactor because the anomalous spiking power output maxes out at a very small fraction of the total large composite reactor output.
The runaway component will burn itself out is short order after it has temporally increased the output of steam by about 1% at most of total capacity. Once the runaway burns itself out being one of very many small subunits, it can be easily replaced in an inexpensive way through an on-the-fly replacement procedure from a store of subunit backups without markedly affecting the total composite output of the other multitudes of active subunits that comprise the large reactor.
I don't consider Rossi word valueless, but I can't base a scientific opinion only on his unilateral words because science does not work that way.parallel wrote:I take it that you consider his word is completely valueless. Goes along with your view that Rossi is a liar and a fraud I suppose, although in that case, why are you wasting time on this thread? Trying to save people from investing when they can't anyway?
On a personal base I consider his actions not at the level of his claims, but this is a different issue and does not interfere in my analysis of his science.
On the other hand the fact that you keep insisting that I called Rossi a liar and a fraud (which I did not) gives me the feeling and the impression that you are the one biased here, not me.