10KW LENR demonstrator (new thread)

Skipjack · Post by **Skipjack** » Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:26 pm

To make it active UoB is waiting for Rossi to pay the first installment of the 500K Euro.
He has skipped the payments twice according my source.

Ahh, so he promised something that he could not deliver. What does that look like for his e- cat then?

parallel · Post by **parallel** » Fri Aug 26, 2011 1:53 am

Skipjack,
I have read, at least twice, where Rossi stated on his blog that the research would not start until after the demonstration, in November.

What is the source for the statement that he has already missed two payments? I strongly suspect it is bogus.

Skipjack · Post by **Skipjack** » Fri Aug 26, 2011 2:32 am

Skipjack,
I have read, at least twice, where Rossi stated on his blog that the research would not start until after the demonstration, in November.

What is the source for the statement that he has already missed two payments? I strongly suspect it is bogus.

I think that this question should be directed at Giorgio. My last post was simply in response to his. He is the one who has the information. AFAIK, he peronally knows people at the university in Bologna, who then gave him the information.

Giorgio · Post by **Giorgio** » Fri Aug 26, 2011 6:43 am

@Skipjack
Correct.

@Parallel
I personally do not think that the contract with the UoB is of interest anymore.
I saw this contract just as a way to try to get some mainstream credibility, but now the time frame to the announced October test is so tight that a research contract with an university is not going to be a focusing point anymore.
I think that from September anyone involved in this story will start to make a countdown for the October test and any additional info (against or in favour of Rossi) will have little impact.
Just my 0.2$.

stefanbanev · Post by **stefanbanev** » Fri Aug 26, 2011 6:56 am

Giorgio wrote:@Skipjack
Correct.

@Parallel
I personally do not think that the contract with the UoB is of interest anymore.
I saw this contract just as a way to try to get some mainstream credibility, but now the time frame to the announced October test is so tight that a research contract with an university is not going to be a focusing point anymore.
I think that from September anyone involved in this story will start to make a countdown for the October test and any additional info (against or in favour of Rossi) will have little impact.
Just my 0.2$.

Agree with Giorgio, it makes no sense to spend 500K for that before October/December, as well as after demo it will make even less sense if the demo turns out to be a total success or total failure; only in case of the mixed result it would make sense to reinforce it by academia.

Stefan

parallel · Post by **parallel** » Fri Aug 26, 2011 12:44 pm

Giorgio,
The question is not whether there is any point in starting research before the October demo at this late date, but whether the information about Rossi missing two payments was false. There have been a number of derogatory rumors about Rossi posted on this thread and this sounds like another one.

The fact is, Rossi has consistently stated research would start after the demo and clearly fears secret information about the E-Cat might leak. It is also clear there are control issues with the E--Cat, which is why he changed the design to a smaller unit. He has also stated several times that much research needs to be done to understand and optimize the process, to make it safe enough for domestic use, etc.

ladajo · Post by **ladajo** » Fri Aug 26, 2011 1:56 pm

So what happened to the article that the reporter asked UoB if they had anything going with Rossi, and they said no.

I'll have to pull it for citation. I know several times that Rossi tossed UoB out as a "partner" and "reveiwer", but when the string was pulled, it turned out to be not true.

Maybe I am wrong, but I will find the article again to be sure.

ladajo · Post by **ladajo** » Fri Aug 26, 2011 2:13 pm

However, the university had not signed a contract with Rossi at that time, and Rossi has yet to pay anything to the university, as Paolo Capiluppi, the head of the Department of Physics at the University of Bologna, told me in a phone call on June 24.

From Steven B. Krivit.

http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2011/ ... sues.shtml

Maybe I misunderstood, but I also recall another reach out to UoB where they again denied any realtionship or intention of one with Rossi.

I like Krivit's work, as he has made an attempt to pull every string.

stefanbanev · Post by **stefanbanev** » Fri Aug 26, 2011 2:54 pm

parallel wrote:Giorgio,
The question is not whether there is any point in starting research before the October demo at this late date, but whether the information about Rossi missing two payments was false. There have been a number of derogatory rumors about Rossi posted on this thread and this sounds like another one.

The fact is, Rossi has consistently stated research would start after the demo and clearly fears secret information about the E-Cat might leak. It is also clear there are control issues with the E--Cat, which is why he changed the design to a smaller unit. He has also stated several times that much research needs to be done to understand and optimize the process, to make it safe enough for domestic use, etc.

The integrity of Rossi's statements is not his strong side; in fact he is quite careless in this regards; knowing "200%" beyond any doubts that technology is for real and have seen it working every day such careless and sometimes cocky/boasting attitude is expected. He apparently is not a well trained business development person who knows how to appear right with weak technology behind...

Skipjack · Post by **Skipjack** » Fri Aug 26, 2011 2:56 pm

Interesting interview by Krivit with Focardi, Rossi translating:
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/08/ ... catalyzer/

In regards to the UoB cooperation, as I said it is interesting that Levi himself says in the video interview with Krivit that they are planning a rather big study with several professors from different fields attending. Also two teams with a second one reviewing the research of the first, main team.

parallel · Post by **parallel** » Sat Aug 27, 2011 2:21 pm

stefanbanev

The integrity of Rossi's statements is not his strong side; in fact he is quite careless in this regards; knowing "200%" beyond any doubts that technology is for real

English is not Rossi's first language and even so saying something like 200% is slang for emphasizing that he is certain. Give the man a break.

Yesterday Rossi wrote: "The tests closed doors for the US Customer will start in September." So it sounds like the October demonstration is still on schedule providing some snag doesn't show up in these initial trials.

Giorgio · Post by **Giorgio** » Sat Aug 27, 2011 3:40 pm

parallel wrote:Giorgio,
The question is not whether there is any point in starting research before the October demo at this late date, but whether the information about Rossi missing two payments was false. There have been a number of derogatory rumors about Rossi posted on this thread and this sounds like another one.

The contract had a fixed date to receive the down payment and it was not received.
UoB is a public university and you can get these type of info either by asking someone inside or by asking them in an official way and wait three to four months until they reply.
I really do not see how the piece of info I supplied could be considered as derogatory.

And by the way, we all know that Rossi was waiting for Defkalion money to pay UoB and we also know that the break between Rossi and Defkalion was because he did not receive the payment. It all fits together quite well.

parallel wrote:The fact is, Rossi has consistently stated research would start after the demo and clearly fears secret information about the E-Cat might leak. It is also clear there are control issues with the E--Cat, which is why he changed the design to a smaller unit. He has also stated several times that much research needs to be done to understand and optimize the process, to make it safe enough for domestic use, etc.

I really do not know, so I won't comment on his statements.
I already made up my mind on this whole story and I will just sit down and wait until October test to see if I am correct or not.

Giorgio · Post by **Giorgio** » Sat Aug 27, 2011 3:49 pm

Skipjack wrote:In regards to the UoB cooperation, as I said it is interesting that Levi himself says in the video interview with Krivit that they are planning a rather big study with several professors from different fields attending. Also two teams with a second one reviewing the research of the first, main team.

I can give you a little more info about that.
The first team was supposed to be composed by mainly the one already convinced that the e-cat works, while the control team was supposed to debunk the experimental results done by the first team.
Something like the good policeman/bad policeman system.

Giorgio · Post by **Giorgio** » Sat Aug 27, 2011 4:22 pm

stefanbanev wrote:The integrity of Rossi's statements is not his strong side; in fact he is quite careless in this regards; knowing "200%" beyond any doubts that technology is for real and have seen it working every day such careless and sometimes cocky/boasting attitude is expected. He apparently is not a well trained business development person who knows how to appear right with weak technology behind...

parallel wrote:English is not Rossi's first language and even so saying something like 200% is slang for emphasizing that he is certain. Give the man a break.

I can tell you that even in Italian is attitude and way of talking is the same.
If it will be ever proven that his invention actually works he will indeed deserve at least two nobel prizes, one for the e-cat and one for the worst business plan ever

stefanbanev · Post by **stefanbanev** » Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:56 am

Giorgio wrote:
stefanbanev wrote:The integrity of Rossi's statements is not his strong side; in fact he is quite careless in this regards; knowing "200%" beyond any doubts that technology is for real and have seen it working every day such careless and sometimes cocky/boasting attitude is expected. He apparently is not a well trained business development person who knows how to appear right with weak technology behind...

parallel wrote:English is not Rossi's first language and even so saying something like 200% is slang for emphasizing that he is certain. Give the man a break.
I can tell you that even in Italian is attitude and way of talking is the same.
If it will be ever proven that his invention actually works he will indeed deserve at least two nobel prizes, one for the e-cat and one for the worst business plan ever

Actually the available public info about his "business plan" does not look for me as an unreasonable; given the limited creditability and financial resources no surprise it is so sporadic and quite opportunistic, yet I'm not sure it could be done better within such circumstances. His plan to go with 1MB plant is right, the focus on heat generation is the lowest hanging fruit etc... In my opinion, the way how he handles the public relation is his major "business disability"; he really should remain in shadow and hire a professionals to do such job.