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Skipjack · Post by **Skipjack** » Tue Aug 23, 2011 6:06 pm

I think the kind of change you are asking for is bad.

So scientific discovery is bad? Because that is the sort of change that I was refering to.

Do you think it is in your best interest to explain to them that there are no gods and it is merely a scientific invention of no great complexity?

How about starting with teaching them that eating other humans is bad?
Then you can proceed with teaching them other things.
Also, a lot of the canibalism was religiously motivated and ceremonial in nature.

Diogenes · Post by **Diogenes** » Tue Aug 23, 2011 6:49 pm

Skipjack wrote:
I think the kind of change you are asking for is bad.
So scientific discovery is bad? Because that is the sort of change that I was refering to..

You can intone a chant of "progress" and "science" all you want, but if you cut the tie that binds people to good behavior, their interest will be in taking advantage of their new found freedom from morality to avail themselves of your heretofore property.

That you want things to go otherwise is apparent. That Human society is an "Alpha Dog" society is something you don't seem to realize. Get rid of the "Alpha Dog" and you will lose all control of the pack.

Skipjack wrote:
Do you think it is in your best interest to explain to them that there are no gods and it is merely a scientific invention of no great complexity?
How about starting with teaching them that eating other humans is bad?
Then you can proceed with teaching them other things.
Also, a lot of the canibalism was religiously motivated and ceremonial in nature.

Why is it bad? Sounds like a moral issue of some sort. Is it bad because YOU say so? They will not be impressed with your argument if it is because YOU say so. Got something bigger perhaps?

Anything short of spirits, demons or a far beyond their understanding technical Terror/Death Star/Spy Satellite that will zap them to cinders when it detects them disobeying the rule will suffice. I personally think an appeal to the supernatural is a lot easier and cheaper.

Of course, the way things are going nowadays with "Skynet" we may end up with that Technical Terror/Death Star/Spy Satellite instead. Government isn't known for efficiency.

Skipjack · Post by **Skipjack** » Tue Aug 23, 2011 8:58 pm

You can intone a chant of "progress" and "science" all you want, but if you cut the tie that binds people to good behavior, their interest will be in taking advantage of their new found freedom from morality to avail themselves of your heretofore property.

Actually that is NOT how humans work.
Some knowledge of good and bad is in our genes thanks to millenia or natural selection. Those that would harm the pack by misbehaviour were sorted out.
Human behaviour is a lot more complex than you may think. If you remove the alpha dog, there will be a period of reorganization that can be troublesome but in the end it will return back to law and order.

Why is it bad?

Because it requires killing other humans which is bad and which most humans know and understand is bad. The morality however overrides the ethics in their case (their society says that it is OK).
Eating humans is also bad due to the transmission of certain deseases, like the Kreuzfeld Jakob. So two reasons.
Kanibalism has been outruled by most societies on the planet equally and independently of each other and not just by Christians!
You do understand that societies before Christianity and Judaism had already developed a strong sense of right and wrong, based on the genetically inherited ethics of good and bad.
You do not need religion for that. Religion is just a way to explain why it is so. Also about half of the 10 commandments make no sense whatsoever in regards to morality and otherwise.