10KW LENR Demonstrator?

[sparkyy0007]

Rossi crunches the numbers for the Krivit demo.

http://youtu.be/YrTz5Bq6dsA

[Maui]

Rossi crunches the numbers for the Krivit demo.

http://youtu.be/YrTz5Bq6dsA

I love the fact that Rossi doesn't think Krivit can comprehend the conversion from liters to gallons.

[mclumber1]

I was thinking more into your good question.
I think the evidence of the condensate spewing into the pail means saturated water (that was never steam) coming from the reactor along with condensate if the system was at equilibrium.

Any steam experts out there??

Not an expert but I've dealt with naval reactors and their steam systems for over 8 years now.

The condensate in the steam could very well be moisture carryover. The design of eCAT (at least from what I can see) includes a horizontal steam generator. You're bound to get moisture carryover even at lower flow rates.

[sparkyy0007]

I was thinking more into your good question.
I think the evidence of the condensate spewing into the pail means saturated water (that was never steam) coming from the reactor along with condensate if the system was at equilibrium.

Any steam experts out there??

Not an expert but I've dealt with naval reactors and their steam systems for over 8 years now.

The condensate in the steam could very well be moisture carryover. The design of eCAT (at least from what I can see) includes a horizontal steam generator. You're bound to get moisture carryover even at lower flow rates.

Welcome to the group mclumber1
So if I follow, you think saturated water mist or drops
from the boiling process are mechanically being
ejected out of the ecat and into the hose by the real steam flow?

[Joseph Chikva]

Rossi crunches the numbers for the Krivit demo.

http://youtu.be/YrTz5Bq6dsA

And what?
All these my little 13 years old son will learn next year in the school.
And this is very trivial.
Non-trivial is as I mentioned:
• Water flow in demo/experiment was not shown
• Was not shown also was jacket be empty before the beginning or no
• Was not shown consumption of reactants
• Was not introduced analyzes of reaction products
This is very primitive fraud

[mclumber1]

Welcome to the group mclumber1
So if I follow, you think saturated water mist or drops
from the boiling process are mechanically being
ejected out of the ecat and into the hose by the real steam flow?

I can't say for certain that is what is happening, but it is definitely a possibility considering how the steam generator is oriented.

[R.Nkolo]

Vid: Low Energy Nuclear Revolution (English version)

This film resumes all the information about Andrea Rossi's device from the 14th of January: the public experiment, critics, tests, protagonists of the story. First part of a big work in progress.

- Credits -
Produced by: Phizero (http://phizero.it)
Directed by: Manuel Zani
Scientific Committee by: Ing. Giacomo Guidi
D.o.P: Luca Nervegna
Web: http://phizero.it
Info: lenr@phizero.it
Source: http://vimeo.com/phizero

[Joseph Chikva]

Welcome to the group mclumber1
So if I follow, you think saturated water mist or drops
from the boiling process are mechanically being
ejected out of the ecat and into the hose by the real steam flow?

I can't say for certain that is what is happening, but it is definitely a possibility considering how the steam generator is oriented.

How many pages here would needed for discussing how for example this "steam generator" is oriented?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Super ... eactor.svg

[sparkyy0007]

Rossi crunches the numbers for the Krivit demo.

http://youtu.be/YrTz5Bq6dsA

And what?
All these my little 13 years old son will learn next year in the school.
And this is very trivial.
Non-trivial is as I mentioned:
• Water flow in demo/experiment was not shown
• Was not shown also was jacket be empty before the beginning or no
• Was not shown consumption of reactants
• Was not introduced analyzes of reaction products
This is very primitive fraud

I wouldn't go so far as to call it fraud, that implies knowledge, but
for this demo I would defiantly question the claimed energy excess based on the evidence.
I think you are right on the rest of the points, including your sons curriculum.

[Joseph Chikva]

I wouldn't go so far as to call it fraud, that implies knowledge, but
for this demo I would defiantly question the claimed energy excess based on the evidence.
I think you are right on the rest of the points, including your sons curriculum.

Why I am sure that this is fraud?
Very long time needed to "European trained engineer" Rossi to come to very simple energy estimation in his demo.
And even after that he could not provide the doubtless data. As steam flow unknown till now as well as input water flow. Till now we should believe his claims. I see that he hides something or has not enough skill to put correctly very simple experiment.
Only after that the question of nature of energy source will appear.
Has he discovered a new phenomenon or released energy might explained by existing knowledge? Till now people chew the same gum.

[sparkyy0007]

Welcome to the group mclumber1
So if I follow, you think saturated water mist or drops
from the boiling process are mechanically being
ejected out of the ecat and into the hose by the real steam flow?

I can't say for certain that is what is happening, but it is definitely a possibility considering how the steam generator is oriented.

Thanks for that.
To the best of my knowledge if the steam in a boiler is in contact with the water
there must be droplets in the steam and completely dry steam requires
that steam be run through a super heater of some sort to vaporize the mist. This has been bugging me for a while now.
Is this correct?

If so, Rossi's unit would need a superheat chamber after the boiler above 100 or there would
be water mist carried in the out feed, so the reported "absolutely dry steam"is a fallicy.
This would also mean a portion of the reported 7kg/h is merely saturated water droplets sneaking through.
This passed by a "steam expert" in their demos?

[sparkyy0007]

I wouldn't go so far as to call it fraud, that implies knowledge, but
for this demo I would defiantly question the claimed energy excess based on the evidence.
I think you are right on the rest of the points, including your sons curriculum.

Why I am sure that this is fraud?
Very long time needed to "European trained engineer" Rossi to come to very simple energy estimation in his demo.
And even after that he could not provide the doubtless data. As steam flow unknown till now as well as input water flow. Till now we should believe his claims. I see that he hides something or has not enough skill to put correctly very simple experiment.
Only after that the question of nature of energy source will appear.
Has he discovered a new phenomenon or released energy might explained by existing knowledge? Till now people chew the same gum.

You know Joseph, I don't really care one way or another.
I just want to know the truth.

[mclumber1]

Thanks for that.
To the best of my knowledge if the steam in a boiler is in contact with the water
there must be droplets in the steam and completely dry steam requires
that steam be run through a super heater of some sort to vaporize the mist. This has been bugging me for a while now.
Is this correct?

If so, Rossi's unit would need a superheat chamber after the boiler above 100 or there would
be water mist carried in the out feed, so the reported "absolutely dry steam"is a fallicy.
This would also mean a portion of the reported 7kg/h is merely saturated water droplets sneaking through.
This passed by a "steam expert" in their demos?

You do not need to superheat the steam in order to get it mostly (99% or so) dry steam, but you do need to use baffles and/or moisture separators which mechanically remove the water droplets and return them to the water mass below. The steam generator designs I have worked with all work on this principal.

But I think Rossi is claiming the steam is superheated no? If so, and assuming his machine is legit, then there is definitely moisture carryover (due to a poor design) and/or major heat loss along the length of the hose. If the theory is sound, then a redesign of the reactor is necessary if you want to produce quality steam.

[sparkyy0007]

Thanks for that.
To the best of my knowledge if the steam in a boiler is in contact with the water
there must be droplets in the steam and completely dry steam requires
that steam be run through a super heater of some sort to vaporize the mist. This has been bugging me for a while now.
Is this correct?

If so, Rossi's unit would need a superheat chamber after the boiler above 100 or there would
be water mist carried in the out feed, so the reported "absolutely dry steam"is a fallicy.
This would also mean a portion of the reported 7kg/h is merely saturated water droplets sneaking through.
This passed by a "steam expert" in their demos?

You do not need to superheat the steam in order to get it mostly (99% or so) dry steam, but you do need to use baffles and/or moisture separators which mechanically remove the water droplets and return them to the water mass below. The steam generator designs I have worked with all work on this principal.

But I think Rossi is claiming the steam is superheated no? If so, and assuming his machine is legit, then there is definitely moisture carryover (due to a poor design) and/or major heat loss along the length of the hose. If the theory is sound, then a redesign of the reactor is necessary if you want to produce quality steam.

I re-read chapter 10 in my Reed's eng series, thanks for the correction.
I'll be PM'ing you for pointers on a biomass steam dryer I've been tasked with designing

[Joseph Chikva]

You know Joseph, I don't really care one way or another.
I just want to know the truth.

That is truth when I am saying - this field interaction of some metals (Ni, V, Pd, Ti, La and other rare metals, intermetalids) with hydrogen has been researched many years ago.
Purpose of those researches is the creation of advanced materials for hydrogen storages and heat storages.
Regardless of nature (nuclear or chemical) the energy balance of those reaction are known very well and I doubt that you with Mr.Kite will discover any novelty.
One of known for me researchers was Philips (Eindhoven) with their advanced lab facilities and very skilled staff. Would this information not enough for you?