10KW LENR Demonstrator?

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Axil wrote: I posted how the enrichment is done. That post was not believable?
Axil,
Perhaps you would be taken more seriously if you made statements like "I have posted one method by which the enrichment could have been done". Unless you can show use specific statments and data from Rossi et.al. on the process used, it is just a supposition on your part.

Perhaps a valid and true supposition, but if you alienate your readers, they will never accept the possibility.

[peeve]Oh, and by the way, could you AND EVERYONE ELSE PLEASE quite quoting the entire prior message? Boy what a waste of time and space![/peeve]

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Luzr wrote:
Giorgio wrote:When you have evidences drop a note here, until than is pretty useless to get all excited.
Actually, after reading all 170 pages, I would say what Axil and Kite are posting is the only sensible thing to do.
Thanks for the HT, I think.
Then he wrote:If there is something, I believe that many people are now starting to experiment with this kind of system and the "secret catalyst" will be patented soon by somebody else very soon... (and in that case, Rossi will get what he deserves for his missmanagement of bussiness and scientific affairs :)
I've been wondering if this hasn't been an exercise in design by theft. A big psycological experiment to get something that works.

Follow me here for a sec.
Rossi "announces" a new machine.
He makes a "demo" that is partially convincing and then shuts up.
He stirs the pot with his blog.
Folks like me around the world try to figure out how this thing could work.
While continuiong to stir the blog pot, his cohorts are frantically working in the back room trying out all the ideas.
Matybe he finds one that does. He is a GENIUS!!! He "invented" something by psycological theft!

Hmmm!

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Chris,

I'm just saying theory generally explains experiment rather than preceding it. There are notable exceptions involving, for instance, relativity and string theory, but the large majority of scientific advances have been things like someone noticing the increasing redshift with distance, X-rays, Kepler using Brahe's work, etc. New theories are almost always wrong, such as Planck's initial attempts with Wien-Planck law -- promptly overturned by experiment much to his irritation.

That's not to trivialize the valuable contributions of theorists, who provide an ingenious framework for engineers that much of human technology rests upon, but science is empiricial much more so than rational, and so it tends to advance when people notice new things to explain moreso than when they think of new ways to explain things.
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n*kBolt*Te = B**2/(2*mu0) and B^.25 loss scaling? Or not so much? Hopefully we'll know soon...

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KitemanSA wrote:
Axil wrote: I posted how the enrichment is done. That post was not believable?
Axil,
Perhaps you would be taken more seriously if you made statements like "I have posted one method by which the enrichment could have been done". Unless you can show use specific statments and data from Rossi et.al. on the process used, it is just a supposition on your part.

Perhaps a valid and true supposition, but if you alienate your readers, they will never accept the possibility.

[peeve]Oh, and by the way, could you AND EVERYONE ELSE PLEASE quite quoting the entire prior message? Boy what a waste of time and space![/peeve]
I agree with that last bit. (Sorry about that :P)
Temperature, density, confinement time: pick any two.

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Ivy Matt wrote:
KitemanSA wrote:
Axil wrote: I posted how the enrichment is done. That post was not believable?
Axil,
Perhaps you would be taken more seriously if you made statements like "I have posted one method by which the enrichment could have been done". Unless you can show use specific statments and data from Rossi et.al. on the process used, it is just a supposition on your part.

Perhaps a valid and true supposition, but if you alienate your readers, they will never accept the possibility.

[peeve]Oh, and by the way, could you AND EVERYONE ELSE PLEASE quite quoting the entire prior message? Boy what a waste of time and space![/peeve]
I agree with that last bit. (Sorry about that :P)
Seconded.
n*kBolt*Te = B**2/(2*mu0) and B^.25 loss scaling? Or not so much? Hopefully we'll know soon...

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Actually, while I also agree with the first bit as well, I'm not too bothered by Axil's manner, as I understand he's just speculating, even when he doesn't include a disclaimer outright saying that's what he's doing. But I can see how it might be confusing to interlopers who stumble upon this thread and then might possibly think Axil has an in with Rossi.
Temperature, density, confinement time: pick any two.

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Giorgio wrote: Axil problem is that he takes pieces of different papers or researches and sticks them together to make a theory.
So do I. I just call it a cute name like a "konjecture"! :)
Then he wrote: The main problem of doing this is that the starting conditions of the various experiments are never the same, so you end up with a big mess.
ennh.

Holy cow! I'm defending Axil. MEDIC!!!

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chrismb wrote:Axil's word-salads may well contain some snippets of interest. The issue is the difficulty of picking out the snippets of interest!!!!
So true. I wish he (she?) would phrase tses posts a bit less bombastically. :wink:

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Giorgio wrote:From the video:

Power IN = 0.75 Kw
Power OUT = 5 Kw
COP = 6.6

With each new test the COP gets lower and lower, and a value of 6.6 is even below many geothermal system available.

Everyone is free to reach his own conclusions.
Jeez! Any other fusion project would KILL for a Q=6.6!!!

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KitemanSA wrote: Jeez! Any other fusion project would KILL for a Q=6.6!!!
Depends on the output. This looks like rather useless heat. A Q=1.1 would be great, if it were primary energy.

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TallDave wrote:Chris,

I'm just saying theory generally explains experiment rather than preceding it.
Sorry, still don't buy it.

There is a mix;

1) some things are outright lucky breaks [penicilin].

2) Some, as you say, are accumulations on other people's observations, but this is nothing unexpected this is the way intellect develops. The 'intellectual' part is the recognition of what a thing meant whilst others failed to notice. This isn't 'accidental', it is 'insightfulness'. Such as Kepler.

3) Some are inventions 'gone right'. You have an 'insightful' speculation, idea or curiosity no-one else has had (as 2) and decide to test it. [If Rossi exists in one of these categories, he's here.] The outcome is something more than you anticipated e.g. Gallileo making his own telescope (someone else's idea) then looking at Jupiter. Gallilieo did not make a telescope by accident, nor accidentally look at jupiter. But he did so in anticipation of learning something.

4) Then there is the balls-out theoretitian who makes a stunning prediction based on previous observations before anyone else. e.g. Enistein.

Other than 1, I would not say the others are 'accidents'. Am I being persuasive for you to agree your prior post is limited in its outlook?

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Ivy Matt wrote:
to chrismb Axil wrote:Your fear that a cold fusion reactor will kill polywell is not well founded because no one knows what the future will bring and energy production is too important to be left to only one provider.
Wait, what? I didn't realize Chris was on "our" side. :P
I'm all for testing Polywell. Always have been, and always have said so. But I am on no-one's side but my own (and then only occasionally!).

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Post by Ivy Matt »

Right, but it never would have occurred to me that fear of the Polywell being rendered redundant was at the base of your arguments on this thread, as it could be for some of the rest of us. (Although there is a noticeable spread of opinions about Rossi's device among the Polywell-optimistic on this thread.)
Temperature, density, confinement time: pick any two.

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Post by chrismb »

I expressed no 'fear'. This is Axil up to his word-salads again.

I said that if the Rossitron worked out, then Polywell research would be pointless. I said this in regards explaining why it is such a Big Deal on this forum.

Words and quotes out of context.... sigh!

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Post by Giorgio »

KitemanSA wrote:
Giorgio wrote: Axil problem is that he takes pieces of different papers or researches and sticks them together to make a theory.
So do I. I just call it a cute name like a "konjecture"! :)

Uhm.. you are morphing into an Axil-II. I am wondering if we should intern you until October for your well being.... any volunteer? :D

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