The Kiteman Konjecture

[KitemanSA]

According to Axil? Any other source?

You really do not like me if you think that I can use Axil as a source .

Sorry, his posts have been the only place I have heard it.

This was stated by Rossi itself in one of his first TV interview. I missed it the first time I heard it but I catch it back a few weeks later while viewing it again.

(Itself?) Well I guess I have to take your word for it since I don't speak Italian, no wait, I'm not supposed to take...
This is somewhat strange since his US Patent application states copper walls.

The water flows only outside and only gets in contact with the external walls of the reactor chamber.

Source?

This was also mentioned by Rossi many times (that the reactor chamber was sealed) but you can get to it also by logic.
They are putting Hydrogen gas inside the reaction chamber and sealing off the valves. If water was allowed to enter the chamber the hydrogen will flow outside immediately.

Does it NECESSARILY follow that the heat is deposited in the reactor chamber? High energy carriers often pass thru a lot of stuff before depositing the energy.

Hence the thermal flow goes from the inside (MaxT) to the outside wall of the reactor chamber (MaxT-dT).

Assumption? Where did this come from?

Well, if you have a hot side the thermal gradient will move toward the cold side. Or maybe I am not understanding your doubt.

My question was more like the above, does it NECESSARILY follow that the heat is deposited in the reactor chamber and not further out. After all, in the USPatent, the chamber was bathed in boron or borated water so if the energy is coming out as neutrons, it would be deposited there, OUTSIDE the chamber, not in the reactor itself. Similarly, HRE and UV may pass thru the Ni, thru the walls of the Ni chamber (reactor chamber) and deposit their energy in a structure past a water bath.

According Rossi you can get steam up to 500'C, hence the reactor temperature cannot be lower than that.

Geez I hope you can or Polywell will NEVER work with superconducting magnets.

Oh come one, magnets are immersed into a cooling medium. Do you see any in the Rossi reactor? You can't really bring this as a counter argument.

Again, if the heat is deposited outside the chamber in the boron or lead walls, the chamber may very well be thermally protected by water between the chamber and the heat deposit location.

Just for sake of reasoning I reduced it to 300-400'C, but even 100'C will give you issues on maintaining a coherent oscillation of the Ni Lattice.

Source? Please? Is this the same folk you mentioned earlier?

Yes, I am going by memory. As I said need to research it back.
But you can give me some source stating the opposite meantime

No, but neither have I found any indication of such temperature sensitivity yet. The frequency is said to be Tsensitive. Haven't found anything else YET.

[Giorgio]

Well I guess I have to take your word for it since I don't speak Italian, no wait, I'm not supposed to take...

Well I do take HIS word for it, so who am I to question what he says

This is somewhat strange since his US Patent application states copper walls.

Dunno. Maybe he changed something or something that wasn't supposed to be public slipped through the interview. Just guessing.

Does it NECESSARILY follow that the heat is deposited in the reactor chamber? High energy carriers often pass thru a lot of stuff before depositing the energy.

And the energy carries pass through the metal case and than they hit the water?
That's stretching the "konjecture" way to far IMHO.

No, but neither have I found any indication of such temperature sensitivity yet. The frequency is said to be Tsensitive. Haven't found anything else YET.

I am travelling right now, you will have to wait until weekend before I can go back to my office PC and search for those papers. As I said I am not sure 100%, but from a physics point of view also makes sense. Higher temps mean more molecular disorder, hence more tough to make them oscillate in a coherent way.

[KitemanSA]

Any further word on those references? I have looked thru a number of sources and see nothing to suggest that this process wouldn't survive at a fairly high temperature.

They are making exciton-polariton (EP) lasers work at room temperture these days, and said polaritons work at a much lower frequency.

The suggests that if the EP which is a IR photon interaction can work into the IR matrix range, then SPPs which are UV photon interactions could work up to UV black-body temps... unless of cource the matrix falls appart first!

[MSimon]

My question was more like the above, does it NECESSARILY follow that the heat is deposited in the reactor chamber and not further out. After all, in the USPatent, the chamber was bathed in boron or borated water so if the energy is coming out as neutrons,...

The device is nuclear radiation free.

[Giorgio]

Any further word on those references? I have looked thru a number of sources and see nothing to suggest that this process wouldn't survive at a fairly high temperature.

I have given a a quick look to my links this morning. The various experiment were done from Liquid nitrogen to room temperature, so until that is feasible. Didn't find anything stating that there is or there is not an upper temperature limit.

I am still doubtful that at higher temperature you can go from chaos to an ordered oscillation, but I have no experimental evidences to put forward at the moment. I will keep searching.

The suggests that if the EP which is a IR photon interaction can work into the IR matrix range, then SPPs which are UV photon interactions could work up to UV black-body temps... unless of cource the matrix falls appart first!

I don't know...... as I said I find it highly illogical but, for my knowledge, anything could be.

[TallDave]

Well, that was fun. Have to give Kiteman credit for an interesting attempt. though like Giorgio I think it contradicts some of the particulars of Rossi's descriptions.

I am really curious to see what happens with Rossi's first commercial customers. That appears to be where Blacklightpower fell down and has remained for the count.

[KitemanSA]

Well, that was fun. Have to give Kiteman credit for an interesting attempt. though like Giorgio I think it contradicts some of the particulars of Rossi's descriptions.

I figured it would from the start and the more I look at his the less I think it close. Indeed, I think my way makes more sense. Pride of authorship creeping in?
But what I was truly trying for was a method that seems plausible from a known physics standpoint, which as far as I can tell it still does.

[Giorgio]

Pride of authorship creeping in?

Rossi disease kicking in?

[KitemanSA]

Pride of authorship creeping in?

Rossi disease kicking in?

Nope, just the human condition!

[KitemanSA]

More evidence that this might be feasible.

Researchers at the University of Pennsylvania in the US claim that polaritons – quasiparticles that are part matter and part light – couple more strongly when confined in nanoscale semiconductors. The new result could benefit photonic circuits that exploit light rather than electricity.

The article speaks of exciton polaritons but I suspect the same conditions may be true for SPPs too. Just a guess.

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/46330

[Giorgio]

More evidence that this might be feasible.

Researchers at the University of Pennsylvania in the US claim that polaritons – quasiparticles that are part matter and part light – couple more strongly when confined in nanoscale semiconductors. The new result could benefit photonic circuits that exploit light rather than electricity.

The article speaks of exciton polaritons but I suspect the same conditions may be true for SPPs too. Just a guess.

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/46330

I doubt, mainly because the case is limited to a semiconductor substrate.
SiO has characteristics that highly help the formation of such phenomena. These characteristics have never been reported in Ni nor in other NON-semiconductor materials as far as I know.

On the other hand you might find this interesting:
http://www.physics.purdue.edu/people/fa ... _BECNF.pdf

It was posted today on Nextbigfuture.

Edited to add:
Check section 3.2

[KitemanSA]

I doubt, mainly because the case is limited to a semiconductor substrate.

Please note that the article says "semiconductors and other materials". And this is exciton (electron, hole) rather than surface plasmon. I'll check out the paper this eve at home. Thanks!

[Giorgio]

Actually it is stating that a polariton can be used to describe how light interacts with semiconductors and other materials, not that the research can be applied to semiconductors and other materials.

[KitemanSA]

Actually it is stating that a polariton can be used to describe how light interacts with semiconductors and other materials, not that the research can be applied to semiconductors and other materials.

I understand that their research was based on work with exciton polaritons in semiconductors. I speculated that the same effect on exciton polaritons in semiconductors might also apply to SP polaritons in other materials. Please note that there was discussion of the surface to volume effect on exciton ploaritons. MAyhaps the same effect would drive surface plasmon polaritons deeper into the lattice.

Just a thought. I'm going to print out and read that paper now. Night.

[KitemanSA]

The conversion Temperature for a Bose-Einstien Condensate (Tc) of bosonic particles is proportional to the particle density (n) raised to the 2/3 power and divided by the particle mass. In that BEC of Deuterium in a metal lattice paper, the author indicated that a BEC of Deuterium particles could assemble at ~20K or maybe even 77K. Given he assumed D in a metal lattice as defining the "n" and it is likely that H in that same metal lattice would have the same density, a BEC of H mini-atoms (H+e having interger spin?) would happen at ~ twice the temperature (half the mass). HOWEVER, I "konjectured" a matrix (condensate?) of polaritons (bosonic electron/photon pairs?) which have a mass < 1/3600 times that of a deuterium ion. thus, just from the simple BEC Tc equation, the Tc could be as high as 3600*77k; WAY up there. The nickel would obviously melt first if the BEC and the lattice "talked".