10KW LENR Demonstrator?

ladajo · Post by **ladajo** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 12:52 pm

An Italian Degree in Philosphy. Talk about hand waving

tomclarke · Post by **tomclarke** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 2:05 pm

parallel wrote:tomclarke,

So it is certain that you received "no training" in how to run experiments

I recall my structure's lecturer had a math degree from Cambridge. He explained he took math because it was the only course where he didn't have to attend a single lecture...

My main criticism was that your remark was an ad hominem.

Right, but in this case he is asking us to trust his experimental ability, so it is fair to examine it.

As I said my negative comments came mostly from Rossi's "blog" and the comments, which Rossi takes part in. And from the way he has conducted multiple demos, all flawed for reasons people have posted on his blog (but had comments not accepted).

It does seem unlikely given he has got this paid non-degree from US that he would actually have a hard science degree as well, don't you think?

As for my training, rigorous maths teaches you to think logically and trust nothing till it is proven (you don't get that from lectures, but from trying to prove things for yourself), and math contains enough physics to understand many of the experimental issues. Lots of practice making things work (or seeing why they don't work) is pretty good training given that basis.

Anyway, I am not claiming to be any good as experimenter, nor saying I have experimental results which rewrite physics...

parallel · Post by **parallel** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 2:58 pm

tomclarke,

As I stated earlier, there are now only two possibilities. Either Rossi is a liar and a fraud or the E-Cat works.

Remember that Rossi has stated an earlier version of the E-Cat has been in continuous use, heating some building, for at least a year. It doesn't matter if you can pick holes in the demonstrations. My take is that if it is not fraud the anomalous heat is much too large to be explained by measurement error and went on too long to be explained by any conventional chemical source of heat.

Joseph Chikva · Post by **Joseph Chikva** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:24 pm

parallel wrote:tomclarke,

As I stated earlier, there are now only two possibilities. Either Rossi is a liar and a fraud or the E-Cat works.

Remember that Rossi has stated an earlier version of the E-Cat has been in continuous use, heating some building, for at least a year. It doesn't matter if you can pick holes in the demonstrations. My take is that if it is not fraud the anomalous heat is much too large to be explained by measurement error and went on too long to be explained by any conventional chemical source of heat.

Mr. Parallel,
someone trusts in Mohamed, someone in Jesus, someone in prof. Rossi.

There in the world are people who can draw banknotes with their hands without any special facilities and you speak about some 10kW of thermal power source.

Who will visit Italy for checking?

What do you want to prove?
If Rossi is building something in Greece let's wait.
Then time will show us who is right - you or your opponents.
Does this make sense?

parallel · Post by **parallel** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 4:04 pm

If Rossi is building something in Greece let's wait.

That's what I wrote many pages back and repeated several times. I'm tempted to respond by those that keep picking on the demonstrations and the man.
If it's fraud it is very hard to see how he is making money from it. Reverse Ponzi scheme perhaps, where he gives others his money?

I read that apart from the earlier year long use, the E-Cat is in operation in four countries and that he is currently testing the 300+ units that are supposed to go into the 1 MW plant.

If it's fraud there is not enough evidence to accuse him. Likewise, there is not enough evidence to say for sure that it works. As time passes, the balance is moving towards looking like it is real, but only time will tell.

So, problems with the demos are almost irrelevant. Time will tell. Either the 1MW plant arrives or it doesn't.

Giorgio · Post by **Giorgio** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 4:04 pm

parallel wrote:I assumed that Rossi was an engineer because that is how he is referred to in many of the pieces I've read.

This should let you understand the dangers of assuming something to be real without having the claims verified from independent sources .

Giorgio · Post by **Giorgio** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 4:13 pm

tomclarke wrote:Here you go:
http://articles.latimes.com/keyword/ken ... university

I was imagining something like that.

parallel · Post by **parallel** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 4:14 pm

Girogio,

At least I read what is reported. You on the other hand, didn't read that a flow meter was used in the 18hour experiment. There are other examples too, but it really doesn't matter.

Giorgio · Post by **Giorgio** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 4:16 pm

parallel wrote:Girogio,

At least I read what is reported. You on the other hand, didn't read that a flow meter was used in the 18hour experiment. There are other examples too, but it really doesn't matter.

Oh my....

parallel · Post by **parallel** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 4:28 pm

This video of an Italian interview adds a little background. I thought it was interesting to see the players.
http://wn.com/The_E-cat_Interviews_Levi ... _Subtitles

Joseph Chikva · Post by **Joseph Chikva** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 4:47 pm

parallel wrote:If it's fraud there is not enough evidence to accuse him

Quite enough but then we will talk at level “trust-not trust”.
So, good luck in waiting of Second Coming.

parallel · Post by **parallel** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:00 pm

It seems the news is spreading....

Dr. Steven Chu, Secretary of Energy is looking at Lattice-assisted Nuclear Reactions (LANR) Cold Fusion as a part of implementing President Obama’s ambitious agenda to invest in clean energy, reduce our dependence on foreign oil, address the global climate crisis, and create millions of new jobs.

http://the-explorer.com/steven-chu-look ... 9583.html/

I wonder if the skeptics here will accuse him of being "had" and wasting money, as they all know cold fusion by any name is pathological science..

Joseph Chikva · Post by **Joseph Chikva** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:05 pm

parallel wrote:It seems the news is spreading....

Dr. Steven Chu, Secretary of Energy is looking at Lattice-assisted Nuclear Reactions (LANR) Cold Fusion as a part of implementing President Obama’s ambitious agenda to invest in clean energy, reduce our dependence on foreign oil, address the global climate crisis, and create millions of new jobs.
http://the-explorer.com/steven-chu-look ... 9583.html/

I wonder if the skeptics here will accuse him of being "had" and wasting money, as they all know cold fusion by any name is pathological science..

So, Second Coming occurs.
My congratulations.

chrismb · Post by **chrismb** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:30 pm

parallel wrote:As I stated earlier.
parallel wrote:He is a European trained engineer

C'mon, matey. Show us where you acquired this piece of information. If you read something in error or that was wrong itself, fair play. But so far looks like you made it up out of thin air.

I shall point out that your replies indicate that you do not appear to understand what 'ad hominem' means. You told tomclarke he was rude when all he did was state a fact. THAT is ad hominem. Time for you to roll out the apologies, fella.

Tick, tick...tick.....

Giorgio · Post by **Giorgio** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:40 pm

He doesn't feel compelled to, he "read what is reported", and that suffice him.
Why bothering checking and questioning one's claims, after all "we are European Engineers!".