Why people are so optimistical to Polywell?

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chrismb wrote:[Incidentally, you aksed where someone had ever suggested your beam-idea before, and this thread is but one example of someone discussing it.]
Oh, I missed.
So, now you would like to take away the priority on idea from me?
Ok.

Here on my table is a Russian translation of M.O. Hagler, M.Kristiansen, An Introduction to Controlled Thermonuclear Fusion, Texas Tech. University, Lexington Books, 1977
On the page 16 (may be another page number in English version) is written: Nuclear fusion in colliding beams of particles.
And there considered oppositely colliding nucleii beams and naturally claimed the impossibility of producing of net power by the execution fusion with this way.

Yes, the idea to use two colliding beams or beam hitting the certain fixed target has not any novelty.
For note: Now Dr. Norman Rostoker's team of Tri-Alpha company araised funding of more than 100 millions USD with idea to use colliding beams as I know in background plasma.

But please quote me where in your not short discussion you kindly linked, or elsewhere more has been proposed the idea to use passing through each other ions beams directed at the same direction but with different velocities and to use relativistic electron beam directed oppositely and only partially compensating the positive space charge. And externally applied longitudinal electric field for compensation of alignment of ion's velocities and electron's energy losses.

Thanks in advance.
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Joseph Chikva wrote:
MSimon wrote:Well then your work is done. Why waste any more time with it?
Inquisitiveness :)
Inquisitiveness = eager for knowledge.

If it is true than you should read those papers and learn the basic of the Polywell before attempting to discuss it.

Otherwise you are really wasting your time and the time of the people here.

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Giorgio wrote:If it is true than you should read those papers and learn the basic of the Polywell before attempting to discuss it.

Otherwise you are really wasting your time and the time of the people here.
Dear Georgio,
Usually I read a lot. I will read those paper when find time and also when I will have a corresponding mood. As I do all on mood. Well it or is bad, but it's so.
If you please advise me a simple explanation of annealing process and POPS I will read obligatory.

And in my opinion people here spend more time using nonconventional terminology while physics laws are formulated in the traditional. Sometimes it will lead to misunderstanding, and sometimes may be to wrong conclusions. "Cold at the edge" e.g.
Cold - non-thermalized or cold in Polywell's community understanding?
If thermalized then even arranged (coherent) energy equal zero at the edge particles have non-zero average energy.

For example here it is possible to replace long texts of many gentlemen with:
dv/dr not equal to zero
dT/dr = 0

How many posts we wrote each other trying to explain the simplest things?

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[I thought you'd said 'that's all'. Did that not mean you were going to go away?]

'Generally hot - locally cold' and the notion of 'a cold or hot ion' are very well embedded in common literature in this field. Maybe they just haven't been translated into whatever Slavonic dialect you work best in.

'A hot ion' clearly makes no sense in the conventional term 'hot', because 'temperature' is an emergent property of an ensemble of ions. In this, your pedantry is acknowledged.

But vocabulary is specific to the field it is used in. If you pompously march in here from a thermal plasma background and start shouting at IEC 'participants' that they don't know hot from cold, then you will receive the 'low energy shoulder'.

(Maybe that last comment doesn't translate well for you? So what - who cares!!? :twisted: I rather suspect that nothing is going to translate into your language, to your satisfaction.)

Is it premature to say 'bye bye' to you again?

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KitemanSA wrote:Chris,
I do note that while just about everyone has discussions, even contentious one, with many others here, it seems everyone has arguments with you.
One person's argument is another's robust discussion. What's your point?

KitemanSA wrote:Honey, vinegar, flys?

Just an observation.
No thanks. Never had a taste for flies. I'll stick with steak and a chocolate pudding.

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And in my opinion people here spend more time using nonconventional terminology while physics laws are formulated in the traditional. Sometimes it will lead to misunderstanding, and sometimes may be to wrong conclusions.
Well of course.

Nick Krall is a big fan of Polywell. Still has input to the team. Perhaps you might find it valuable to read one of his books.

Principles of Plasma Physics (International Series in Pure and Applied Physics)
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chrismb wrote:[I thought you'd said 'that's all'. Did that not mean you were going to go away?]

'Generally hot - locally cold' and the notion of 'a cold or hot ion' are very well embedded in common literature in this field. Maybe they just haven't been translated into whatever Slavonic dialect you work best in.

'A hot ion' clearly makes no sense in the conventional term 'hot', because 'temperature' is an emergent property of an ensemble of ions. In this, your pedantry is acknowledged.

But vocabulary is specific to the field it is used in. If you pompously march in here from a thermal plasma background and start shouting at IEC 'participants' that they don't know hot from cold, then you will receive the 'low energy shoulder'.

(Maybe that last comment doesn't translate well for you? So what - who cares!!? :twisted: I rather suspect that nothing is going to translate into your language, to your satisfaction.)

Is it premature to say 'bye bye' to you again?
You can leave without saying goodbye.
all the same for me.
The good knowledge of English doesn't rescued from nonsenses Mr.Oppenheimer-Phillips, "scattering cross section at 10 degrees" :)

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chrismb wrote: One person's argument is another's robust discussion. What's your point?
...
No thanks. Never had a taste for flies. I'll stick with steak and a chocolate pudding.
ptwaaangg!!! That is the sound of another "shouldn't have been too subtle" point ricocheting off an unobtainium skull. :lol:

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MSimon wrote:Well of course.

Nick Krall is a big fan of Polywell. Still has input to the team. Perhaps you might find it valuable to read one of his books.

Principles of Plasma Physics (International Series in Pure and Applied Physics)
Thank you,
I do not buy anything through internet. And glad if Mr. Krall is in Polywell team.
But I have a lot books on plasma physics mainly in Russian.
Beginning from first researches of Arcimovich till 90th.
Theory from Landau-Lifshic and Lifshic-Pytaevsky.
As I know the last is also translated into English.
As I know basics did not change. And news I can find from internet.

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Joseph Chikva wrote:The good knowledge of English doesn't rescued from nonsenses Mr.Oppenheimer-Phillips, "scattering cross section at 10 degrees" :)
You never, ever did understand that point did you? I will try in one final effort, so, at least, you learn something here - you claimed that nucleii could get up to some energy above the Coulomb barrier, at which they would always fuse. That energy is >MeV, and if you run deuterons that high then they fall apart rather than fusing.

Never mind.... it is clear that you don't really read what is suggested reading to you. You prefer to read the things you write for yourself, then you believe yourself.

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Joseph Chikva wrote:
MSimon wrote:Well of course.

Nick Krall is a big fan of Polywell. Still has input to the team. Perhaps you might find it valuable to read one of his books.

Principles of Plasma Physics (International Series in Pure and Applied Physics)
Thank you,
I do not buy anything through internet. And glad if Mr. Krall is in Polywell team.
But I have a lot books on plasma physics mainly in Russian.
Beginning from first researches of Arcimovich till 90th.
Theory from Landau-Lifshic and Lifshic-Pytaevsky.
As I know the last is also translated into English.
As I know basics did not change. And news I can find from internet.
My point is that Nick is deep in Polywell and from discussions I have participated in with him he uses the terminology we use around here. It is not uncommon for a field (or a sub-field) to develop its own use of words if there is no pre-existing set that properly expresses the desired idea. Sometimes you have to learn a new language. My apologies.
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chrismb wrote:
Joseph Chikva wrote:The good knowledge of English doesn't rescued from nonsenses Mr.Oppenheimer-Phillips, "scattering cross section at 10 degrees" :)
You never, ever did understand that point did you? I will try in one final effort, so, at least, you learn something here - you claimed that nucleii could get up to some energy above the Coulomb barrier, at which they would always fuse.

It is not truth. Only you from more then 4'000 people in three forums understood that in such way.
viewtopic.php?t=3023
http://focusfusion.org/index.php/forums/viewthread/853/
http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=485695
And it is your problem.
chrismb wrote:That energy is >MeV, and if you run deuterons that high then they fall apart rather than fusing.
For D+T reaction recurred energy for pair of nucleus does not exceed 300 keV

And what can you suggest for reading? I suggest to learn about scattering cross section - how does that calculated and does that depend on angle.
And about applicability of O-P as well.

Shalom

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MSimon wrote:
Joseph Chikva wrote:
MSimon wrote:Well of course.

Nick Krall is a big fan of Polywell. Still has input to the team. Perhaps you might find it valuable to read one of his books.

Principles of Plasma Physics (International Series in Pure and Applied Physics)
Thank you,
I do not buy anything through internet. And glad if Mr. Krall is in Polywell team.
But I have a lot books on plasma physics mainly in Russian.
Beginning from first researches of Arcimovich till 90th.
Theory from Landau-Lifshic and Lifshic-Pytaevsky.
As I know the last is also translated into English.
As I know basics did not change. And news I can find from internet.
My point is that Nick is deep in Polywell and from discussions I have participated in with him he uses the terminology we use around here. It is not uncommon for a field (or a sub-field) to develop its own use of words if there is no pre-existing set that properly expresses the desired idea. Sometimes you have to learn a new language. My apologies.
Sorry, I will know that. May be.

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"Jesus (pardon Dr. Bussard) says", Paul (pardon Dr.Nebel) says, etc.
It is 1906. Who are you going to ask about relativity? The guy who figured it out or the bunch that refers to his work as "Jewish science"?

Bussard and Nebel did the experiments. Don't you think they might be authorities when it comes to their own work? After all they have written the papers. You have read Bussard's Valencia Paper haven't you?
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