Very nice story. Also your point was very well expressed.seedload wrote:Almost every single post you have made on this forum has been in support of EESTOR, Blacklight Power, and Rossi.parallel wrote:I know posters on this blog like to pretend everybody involved with the E-Cat are idiots and while the experiments could have been conducted to rule out some fraud, the purpose of the demo was to show it worked and give some idea of the surplus energy generated. I doubt any experiment would convince the hardcore skeptics, so why bother?
A story.
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10KW LENR Demonstrator?
Rossi has allowed his dingus to be "poked and prodded" (so to speak) in extensive fashion on multiple occasions by neutral examiners with substantial technical and/or scientific backgrounds.
Moreover, the blogosphere has been all over this matter yet the smoking-gun revalations of fraud and/or deceit are conspicuously absent! Does anyone remember what the blogosphere did to Dan Rather and his election-eve accusations regarding President G. W. Bush? [served the bastard right, btw]
Yes, Rossi has been cagey about the catalyst. There are many legit reasons why a person in his position (commercialization-seeking) would act in such a manner.
These are the sort of issues that could easily lead a reasonable person to conclude that Rossi is on to something quite real.
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Moreover, the blogosphere has been all over this matter yet the smoking-gun revalations of fraud and/or deceit are conspicuously absent! Does anyone remember what the blogosphere did to Dan Rather and his election-eve accusations regarding President G. W. Bush? [served the bastard right, btw]
Yes, Rossi has been cagey about the catalyst. There are many legit reasons why a person in his position (commercialization-seeking) would act in such a manner.
These are the sort of issues that could easily lead a reasonable person to conclude that Rossi is on to something quite real.
http://www.photoshoppix.com/modules/cop ... _sings.jpg
"As long as the roots are not severed, all is well. And all will be well in the garden." Chauncey Gardiner
If it works (i.e. there are sales) the trade secret will last a year for those who care. WHAT or HOW.KitemanSA wrote:Unless of course it is not so WHAT is there but how it is put there. Hmmm.MSimon wrote:The catalyst will be secret until he starts selling vehicles. i.e. not much of a trade secret.
Engineering is the art of making what you want from what you can get at a profit.
Those same examiners stated:raphael wrote:Rossi has allowed his dingus to be "poked and prodded" (so to speak) in extensive fashion on multiple occasions by neutral examiners with substantial technical and/or scientific backgrounds.
And this is the exact opinion of most people on this board.At this point precise measurement is crucial if credibility in the process under study is to be established.
You guys should really stop thinking that life is either black or white.raphael wrote:Moreover, the blogosphere has been all over this matter yet the smoking-gun revalations of fraud and/or deceit are conspicuously absent!
Between being real and being a fraud there are a lot of middle steps.
I and many others have given plenty of examples that could lead even a seasoned researcher to make big mistakes in interpreting the obtained results. And this is especially true with the small E-Cat that has a much lower COP than the previous model.
When Rossi will feel to make a proper experiment it will be my pleasure to support him. Until that moment I have (and I have given) plenty of possible explanations to justify those data.
As for the blogosphere, it counts nothing.
There is more crap going around in the blogosphere than in a wastewater treatment plant.
No one cares about the catalyst nor about the way the reactor is done, and no one is asking for those info.raphael wrote:Yes, Rossi has been cagey about the catalyst. There are many legit reasons why a person in his position (commercialization-seeking) would act in such a manner.
As long as proper measuring equipment is connected to the inlets and outlets he could use a black box for what I care.
Giorgio, wrt to the statement you cite, here's the message they were attempting to communicate:
"At this point precise measurement is crucial if credibility in the process under study is to be established (which is why we excercised the high degree of care that we did)."
Wrt the blogosphere: without it. Dan Rather would not have been taken down and a 2nd term for Bush would probably not have happened.
Wrt to "you guys": To whom are you referring? I am not a group.
Wrt to "experiment" : Please use another term in the interest of not upsetting a certain hyper-excitable person who occasionally posts comments on this thread.
"At this point precise measurement is crucial if credibility in the process under study is to be established (which is why we excercised the high degree of care that we did)."
Wrt the blogosphere: without it. Dan Rather would not have been taken down and a 2nd term for Bush would probably not have happened.
Wrt to "you guys": To whom are you referring? I am not a group.
Wrt to "experiment" : Please use another term in the interest of not upsetting a certain hyper-excitable person who occasionally posts comments on this thread.
"As long as the roots are not severed, all is well. And all will be well in the garden." Chauncey Gardiner
And have you visited lately the site of the guy who got all the publicity?Wrt the blogosphere: without it. Dan Rather would not have been taken down and a 2nd term for Bush would probably not have happened.
Off the rails these days.
Engineering is the art of making what you want from what you can get at a profit.
The jihadis would be ruling Iraq. Maybe not so bad for the West. For the Iraqi people? Or more specifically the Kurds?Skipjack wrote:Yeah, that would have been a real tragedy ;)a 2nd term for Bush would probably not have happened
Engineering is the art of making what you want from what you can get at a profit.
@raphael
Your appeal to "a reasonable person jury" is quite funny with regard to Rossi's personal background, scientific, as well as legal, which now can be reasonably discussed, since by aforementioned appeal you leave the strictly scientific approach based on numbers and technical facts. You'd like a reasonable person to believe Rossi?
Have you made any insights in the man's biography? Would you like to have the aftermath of PetrolDragon (economical and ecological) in "every household"? What in Rossi's proceedings makes you think he changed? How reasonable is the possibility he still might be well in debts?
Now let us (reasonably) stick to science, shall we?
Have you made any insights in the man's biography? Would you like to have the aftermath of PetrolDragon (economical and ecological) in "every household"? What in Rossi's proceedings makes you think he changed? How reasonable is the possibility he still might be well in debts?
Now let us (reasonably) stick to science, shall we?
I think most people are wisely waiting for the gun to fire first.raphael wrote:Moreover, the blogosphere has been all over this matter yet the smoking-gun revalations of fraud and/or deceit are conspicuously absent!
For some people, the evidence that Rossi is a fraud is simply that his device can't work according to the laws of physics, as they know them. For others, the evidence that Rossi is (or is not) a fraud is not forthcoming. Nobody is interested in conjuring up solid evidence that he's a fraud. Really, there's nothing to be gained by that. Just watch what he claims and how he behaves, and draw your own conclusions from that. Different people have arrived at different conclusions from the same set of facts. Quelle surprise.raphael wrote:Does anyone remember what the blogosphere did to Dan Rather and his election-eve accusations regarding President G. W. Bush?
True, maybe Rossi has been advised that the catalyst isn't patentable. If that turns out to be the case, then I might actually feel a bit sorry for him. If, on the other hand, he has succumbed to the natural desire for "security through obscurity" to such an extent that he prefers to protect his catalyst by trade secret law rather than trust in the patent process sufficiently to disclose it openly, I can only say that, when other companies start selling E-Cat knock-offs, he should have seen it coming.raphael wrote:Yes, Rossi has been cagey about the catalyst. There are many legit reasons why a person in his position (commercialization-seeking) would act in such a manner.
They could also lead a reasonable person to conclude that there is more than one possible conclusion that fits the available facts, at least for now. In the absence of further evidence, this jury (of one) renders the Scottish verdict.raphael wrote:These are the sort of issues that could easily lead a reasonable person to conclude that Rossi is on to something quite real.
Temperature, density, confinement time: pick any two.
Are you attempting a mind reading experiment?raphael wrote:Giorgio, wrt to the statement you cite, here's the message they were attempting to communicate:
"At this point precise measurement is crucial if credibility in the process under study is to be established (which is why we excercised the high degree of care that we did)."V
If you want to question what they wanted to communicate do contact them and ask them. Otherwise just stick to the words they said.
You are not a group, but you are part of that group of person to whom I am referring.raphael wrote:Wrt to "you guys": To whom are you referring? I am not a group.