There is not enough energy in the NiO + H2 reaction.Torulf2 wrote:How about this alternative eplanation?
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php? ... ost6800455
Is about 50 Wh/kg.
Even if you consider the NiO +CO reaction you only get 200 Wh/kg.
10KW LENR Demonstrator?
I got an idea folks. Why don't all you doubters and supporters get together and round up about $20k and offer Rossi ~$10k of it to rent the unit for 5 days of testing. Then use the other ~$10k to set up the test facility of your orgasmic dreams and test it.
Till then, nanner nanner boo-boo! Yawn and ho-hum.
Till then, nanner nanner boo-boo! Yawn and ho-hum.
From the Rossi blog:
There has been speculation within the cold-fusion community that Rossi is being disingenuous is stating that the reaction chamber is made of stainless steel. Why? Stainless steel is a poor conductor of heat.
It could also be a way to justify the presence of a large amount of iron in the ash; a cover story to hide the importance of iron in the Rossi catalyst.
The patent states that the reaction chamber is copper not stainless. Where and when did the ash come from, a Cat-E with a stainless reaction chamber or one with a copper one?
Would Rossi mislead us to protect the secret of his Catalyst?
All this supports my contention that iron in the form of an X2O3 oxide forms the site of the active nuclear component in the Rossi catalyst.
Joseph Fine
April 7th, 2011 at 3:40 PM
After operating for some time, Iron was found in the Mini E-Cat (or E-kitten). Was Iron present at startup or was it formed during operation – as Copper was?
If Iron was not present at the start of operation, where did it come from?
I think some Iron was present at startup. One alternative is that Nickel can capture a “masked” proton, then eject two protons. That would be fission, of a sort. But that is not very likely. Iron probably is coming from a lighter element.
J.F.
Andrea Rossi
April 7th, 2011 at 8:00 PM
Dear Prof. Joseph Fine:
I think iron is just a contamination from the reactor walls.
Anyway, usual good insight from you, thanks,
A.R.
There has been speculation within the cold-fusion community that Rossi is being disingenuous is stating that the reaction chamber is made of stainless steel. Why? Stainless steel is a poor conductor of heat.
It could also be a way to justify the presence of a large amount of iron in the ash; a cover story to hide the importance of iron in the Rossi catalyst.
The patent states that the reaction chamber is copper not stainless. Where and when did the ash come from, a Cat-E with a stainless reaction chamber or one with a copper one?
Would Rossi mislead us to protect the secret of his Catalyst?
The iron assay in the ash is higher than even copper. So how did it get so high? The proton fusion theory of nickel does not support the transmutation of iron. The Miley theory of natural isotopic abundance that I prefer also does not support a large iron assay in the ash.Their analyses showed that the pure powder consists of essentially pure nickel, while the used powder contains several other substances, mainly 10 percent copper and 11 percent iron.
All this supports my contention that iron in the form of an X2O3 oxide forms the site of the active nuclear component in the Rossi catalyst.
From the Rossi blog:
If Rossi has snookered Lockheed-Martin, that is quite an accomplishment for a con-man; it is not easy to do.
The Cat-E is a work in progress. And the “mark” has been ensnared. Just doing my part in spreading rumors: the best guess is Lockheed-Martin. There have been rumblings down the grapevine that something is something coming from Marietta; but it might be EEStor.The walls of the reactor are made of stainless steel, copper free. Yes, I have understood why scaling up we have more difficulties to have a flat curve of Delta T. Also the theory is consolidating. I am learning a lot in this period, I learnt a lot from the Professors of The Universities of Bologna, Stockolm and Uppsala ( in alphabetic order, of course) and from the People of DOE and DOD in the USA. From them there is really to learn. They say 10-20 words and from those words I get a universe of informations. In these last 2 months we made substantial evolution, after every test I redesigned and remade the reactors. Today I am in the USA factory of Leonardo Corporation where I signed a contract of tremendous importance. As soon as I will be allowed to announce it, believe me, it will be extremely important.
Warm regards,
If Rossi has snookered Lockheed-Martin, that is quite an accomplishment for a con-man; it is not easy to do.
Axil,
With regard to the U.S. Rossi client, here is a little exchange from Rossi's blog:
With regard to the U.S. Rossi client, here is a little exchange from Rossi's blog:
Lockheed Martin (my prior employer BTW) might be a good guess as the firm in question. They have been trying to break into energy control systems, smart grid technology, energy storage systems, etc. so this might fit.Claudio
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:09 PM
...Just one question, in many posts here is mentioned about an experiment planned in next months. Sometimes I read will be done in USA sometimes Athens. Where will start this new experiment exactly? Why not in Italy? Anyway me, like many others wrote here, I hope in your succesful!
Claudio Eterno
Andrea Rossi
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:55 PM
Dear Mr Claudio Eterno:
The first plant of 1 MW will be installed in Athens, in October. We are manufacturing it in the USA. Also in the USA we are making tests with an extremely important Customer preparing a similar plant in the USA which will be, very likely, our second job.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Hey, I'm in the "Yawn and ho-hum." group. Its you guys that are all het up about it! But I tell you what, you guys gather the $19,500 and I'll seriously consider forkin $500! How's them apples?Giorgio wrote:You should give the good example and fork out the first 500$
Besides, I'm getting close to proposing a bit of competition for U of Sydney.
I have no doubt that Rossi (or anyone in his position) would be intentionally misleading.
Based on the quality of his work, he's clearly not interested in scientific fame or publications. Until he gets sufficient patent coverage, it's in his best interest to release nothing, say nothing, demo nothing, and obfuscate as best he can if he's forced to talk at all.
If Rossi has actually discovered something and he is intentionally obfuscating key details, then this would not be very different from Dr. Paul Chu at U of T sending drafts of his first paper for publication claiming the first discovery of high Tc superconductors with YbCuOx instead of the actual YCuO. Chu actually did this, but sent the 'minor' typographical correction at the last possible minute. Interestingly (and ominously for our current discussion), I believe a paper was actually published in an Italian journal just ahead of Chu's original paper claiming the discovery of high Tc in YbCuO, thus verifying the fraud and corruption in the academic publication process that Chu was trying to avoid. (Chu verified beforehand that YbCuOx did not produce a viable High Tc superconductor).
I find Rossi's background and Axil's theories to be quite an interesting mix. If Rossi were to attempt to use his syn gas in a Haber-Bosch process, he would have been using an iron oxide and maybe ruthenium catalyst. Iron oxide seems more problematic for a Fischer-Tropsch process (but do-able), with other likely catalysts being Co, Ni and Ru.
Perhaps Rossi decided that ammonia/fertilizer production would be a lucrative alternative to spending more time in jail due to making fuel and dealing with the monster political machinations of the energy industry. This is pure speculation on my part, but it does point out a plausible way that he may have stumbled upon Ni & Fe oxides supposedly doing interesting things in the presence of heat and H2.
Based on the quality of his work, he's clearly not interested in scientific fame or publications. Until he gets sufficient patent coverage, it's in his best interest to release nothing, say nothing, demo nothing, and obfuscate as best he can if he's forced to talk at all.
If Rossi has actually discovered something and he is intentionally obfuscating key details, then this would not be very different from Dr. Paul Chu at U of T sending drafts of his first paper for publication claiming the first discovery of high Tc superconductors with YbCuOx instead of the actual YCuO. Chu actually did this, but sent the 'minor' typographical correction at the last possible minute. Interestingly (and ominously for our current discussion), I believe a paper was actually published in an Italian journal just ahead of Chu's original paper claiming the discovery of high Tc in YbCuO, thus verifying the fraud and corruption in the academic publication process that Chu was trying to avoid. (Chu verified beforehand that YbCuOx did not produce a viable High Tc superconductor).
I find Rossi's background and Axil's theories to be quite an interesting mix. If Rossi were to attempt to use his syn gas in a Haber-Bosch process, he would have been using an iron oxide and maybe ruthenium catalyst. Iron oxide seems more problematic for a Fischer-Tropsch process (but do-able), with other likely catalysts being Co, Ni and Ru.
Perhaps Rossi decided that ammonia/fertilizer production would be a lucrative alternative to spending more time in jail due to making fuel and dealing with the monster political machinations of the energy industry. This is pure speculation on my part, but it does point out a plausible way that he may have stumbled upon Ni & Fe oxides supposedly doing interesting things in the presence of heat and H2.
Axil wrote:From the Rossi blog:
There has been speculation within the cold-fusion community that Rossi is being disingenuous is stating that the reaction chamber is made of stainless steel. Why? Stainless steel is a poor conductor of heat.
It could also be a way to justify the presence of a large amount of iron in the ash; a cover story to hide the importance of iron in the Rossi catalyst.
The patent states that the reaction chamber is copper not stainless. Where and when did the ash come from, a Cat-E with a stainless reaction chamber or one with a copper one?
Would Rossi mislead us to protect the secret of his Catalyst?
The iron assay in the ash is higher than even copper. So how did it get so high? The proton fusion theory of nickel does not support the transmutation of iron. The Miley theory of natural isotopic abundance that I prefer also does not support a large iron assay in the ash.Their analyses showed that the pure powder consists of essentially pure nickel, while the used powder contains several other substances, mainly 10 percent copper and 11 percent iron.
All this supports my contention that iron in the form of an X2O3 oxide forms the site of the active nuclear component in the Rossi catalyst.
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Not that I have ever pushed a sleeping cow over, but I think it is along the lines of cow-tipping. Giving a shove to some hapless creatures who are in a state of blissful semi-consciousness and unaware of the immediate issues around them to see the response and watch them fall over in a clumsy heap.Maui wrote: I'm trying to figure out why members of the LENR "Yawn and ho-hum" group are hanging out here.
Cows dreaming of hydrogen stuffed into a lattice, heated to 60 degrees C, vibrating into quark soup, behaving as super heavy atoms, fissioning into metals, giving off negligible radiation, and mysteriously coming out with the same isotopic ratios as in nature. No wonder they can't see the drunk 17 year old sneaking up on them.chrismb wrote:Not that I have ever pushed a sleeping cow over, but I think it is along the lines of cow-tipping. Giving a shove to some hapless creatures who are in a state of blissful semi-consciousness and unaware of the immediate issues around them to see the response and watch them fall over in a clumsy heap.Maui wrote: I'm trying to figure out why members of the LENR "Yawn and ho-hum" group are hanging out here.
Quark Soup Transmutation. QST, baby!
D'oh.... it was much easier in the past to cash money from the internet....KitemanSA wrote:Hey, I'm in the "Yawn and ho-hum." group. Its you guys that are all het up about it! But I tell you what, you guys gather the $19,500 and I'll seriously consider forkin $500! How's them apples?Giorgio wrote:You should give the good example and fork out the first 500$
Dunno what you guys are taking, but if it is legal we could probably make enough money to finance our own personal Polywell project .seedload wrote:Cows dreaming of hydrogen stuffed into a lattice, heated to 60 degrees C, vibrating into quark soup, behaving as super heavy atoms, fissioning into metals, giving off negligible radiation, and mysteriously coming out with the same isotopic ratios as in nature. No wonder they can't see the drunk 17 year old sneaking up on them.chrismb wrote:Not that I have ever pushed a sleeping cow over, but I think it is along the lines of cow-tipping. Giving a shove to some hapless creatures who are in a state of blissful semi-consciousness and unaware of the immediate issues around them to see the response and watch them fall over in a clumsy heap.Maui wrote: I'm trying to figure out why members of the LENR "Yawn and ho-hum" group are hanging out here.
Quark Soup Transmutation. QST, baby!