Polywell mentioned in Middle East political simulation.

ladajo · Post by **ladajo** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:33 am

http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD ... tTRDoc.pdf

ladajo · Post by **ladajo** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:38 am

and...

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity ... e&_cview=0

Giorgio · Post by **Giorgio** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:46 am

Supercaps makes more sense as investment area. The development of a suitable material for supercaps is getting near to maturity with many companies ready to fight for a part of those founds.

If some money end in EEStor pockets I believe it will probably be only due to some lobbing manoeuvre, not really for their tech.

KitemanSA · Post by **KitemanSA** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:53 am

chrismb wrote:It would appear that the Navy have a knack for blowing tax-payer's cash on hopeless schemes.

It is known as high risk, high reward research. If they blow $10M on each of 10 impossible schemes and one turns out to be possible after all... How much COULD EEStor or Polywell or... be worth?

Another way of saying it is "if you ain't failing in half your RESEARCH projects, you are being too timid".

After all, some guy in England has been looking for "dark matter" in some mine for 27years and hasn't seem even the slightest indication. Talk about your hopeless scheme!

D Tibbets · Post by **D Tibbets** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:32 pm

Also, the storage medium is not the only issue. There are also details about power trunks, radio interferance, fire control procedures, etc. that have to be resolved to utilize the system effectively and safely. That may be the focus of the $50 million- cheap by military standards

Dan Tibbets

Tom Ligon · Post by **Tom Ligon** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:57 pm

You guys are thinking in terms of powering ships with electrical storage devices. I think it is much more likely the Navy would be interested in them for providing pulse power for rail guns, lasers, plasma cannons, and other Buck Rogers stuff we know they are also working on.

KitemanSA · Post by **KitemanSA** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:41 pm

Tom,
Somewhere in this forum there was a link to a Mabus speach on this issue (which I can't find anymore) wherein he made that very point. There were TWO technologies he was interested in, first an EESU (EEStor not mentioned that I could hear) for HIGH POWER needs like railguns... and also a smart power network (IIRC).

Anyone know what happened to that link?

Giorgio · Post by **Giorgio** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:15 am

Should be this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1i2vL8VWWc

From minute 21 onward.

KitemanSA · Post by **KitemanSA** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 12:20 pm

So where was EEStor mentioned at all? This sounds more like some combination of mechanical storage for high power and chamical storage for high energy. But, who knows. We'll find out soon enough.

the acronym that should be bandied about is not EESU but HESM (hybrid energy storage module).

ladajo · Post by **ladajo** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 12:52 pm

The Navy likes rotary storage (Fly wheels), Motor-Generators tied to extreme capacity battery banks, and also Super Caps.

MSimon · Post by **MSimon** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:18 am

ladajo wrote:The Navy likes rotary storage (Fly wheels), Motor-Generators tied to extreme capacity battery banks, and also Super Caps.

If the weight was significant they could be used for ballast.

ladajo · Post by **ladajo** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:16 pm

Mockups I've seen all have them low in the hull.
I am sure they are not lacking mass.

hanelyp · Post by **hanelyp** » Fri Apr 15, 2011 2:06 am

Some of the new fangled ship designs, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-wate ... _twin_hull , don't want ballast.

ladajo · Post by **ladajo** » Fri Apr 15, 2011 11:07 am

Yup, true. However, navy plans for medium and large combatants are traditional displacement hulls (for now). DDG 1000 (which is really a cruiser) is a tumblehome displacement. The weapons mock ups and design trials all have the support equipment low. This is a tradition not only for meta center control, but also protection of vitals.