The Return Of The Corporate State

[rjaypeters]

The amusing thing is that the liberal faith defies arithmetic. Even followers of Jesus will not go that far.

I don't know. Those incidents with the loaves and fishes should have taught the followers of the Way not to look only at the math.

But this is beside your point.

[Jccarlton]

The idea that companies don't/shouldn't pay taxes is simply an idea that is promoted by people who are greedy, and don't WANT them to pay taxes. Its part of their agenda, not an economic fact.

Here is a question for you simon: what entities in our economy do consumers/taxpayers have to pass their increases in costs to? You know, the way you talk about how companies are free to do that? Who does the American worker get to "increase prices" on to pass along their increases in costs of living? If the answer is "no one", then that answer should apply to ALL entities in the system, true or false? If not, why would consumers/taxpayers want to participate in an economic system that is stacked against them from the very beginning?

Consumers/taxpayers should not be the ONLY economic entity that all others economic entities get to use for a punching bag. Companies need to pay their taxes out of PROFIT, just like PEOPLE DO in their personal finances. My PERSONAL profit is just as much of a priority to our nation's economic well being as any profit margin of companies. If you disagree, you don't understand how a consumer driven economy works...

And do tell why consumers should indirectly pay the taxes for companies and corporations that uses roads, and all kinds of infrastructure in our country, that is paid for by TAXATION??? Why don't they need to pay for that themselves? Just like people do?

What people? Where are they promoting? Who is promoting? As for your personal profit, that is the point. In the end no matter who nominally pays the taxes we all pay them unless we are a member of the rent seeking class ie Al Gore et al or the recipients of walking around vote money like welfare mothers.

[Jccarlton]

I might also add that anybody who is really interested in tax policy should read "Taxation, The Peoples Business" by the treasury secretary who actually did the impossible and pay off the debt, Andrew Mellon. He starts the book thus:

The fundamental reasons for taxation:
THE problem of the Government is to fix
rates which will bring in a maximum amount
of revenue to the Treasury and at the same
time bear not too heavily on the taxpayer or
on business enterprises. A sound tax policy
must take into consideration three factors.
It must produce sufficient revenue for the
Government; it must lessen, so far as possible,
the burden of taxation on those least
able to bear it ; and it must also remove those
influences which might retard the continued
steady development of business and industry
on which, in the last analysis, so much of our
prosperity depends.
From "Taxation, The People's Business" by Andrew Mellon.:
http://ia331307.us.archive.org/2/items/ ... 026mbp.pdf

[hanelyp]

Those favoring higher taxes like tax structures invisible to the average voter, such as VAT and corporate taxes. In both cases the consumer ultimately pays the tax, but not in a way easily seen as including the tax.

The "Fair Tax" excels in terms of simplicity and visibility to the tax payer. The prebate feature is more redistributionist than I like, but on the whole it is a VAST improvement on the current monstrosity of a tax code.

Curious how some people scream Greed when successful people want to keep more of the fruits of their labors, but excuse people grabbing for the fruits of other's labors.

[Betruger]

But don't you see - it's not greedy to want only a little of those fruits.

[MSimon]

The amusing thing is that the liberal faith defies arithmetic. Even followers of Jesus will not go that far.

I don't know. Those incidents with the loaves and fishes should have taught the followers of the Way not to look only at the math.

But this is beside your point.

It is my understanding that the J. man was the only one to perform that miracle and according to his followers he has yet to return. So at least his followers are stuck with arithmetic.

[MSimon]

I always suggest that those ranting against greed send me their money since currently due to some unfortunate family circumstances I'm living below the poverty level. I have yet to receive a dime from those railing against greed.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not railing against my circumstances. My situation has allowed me to work for Polywell and some other things I am interested in. I am content. But still. Where is my check from those railing against greed? How about putting your money where your mouth is and send me a donation? I accept Master Card, Visa, Paypal, and Amazon. How hard can it be? Or are you anti-greed heads just like those you rail against. i.e. it is all projection.

BTW one of the procapitalists on this board has shown some kindness to me. Isn't it always like that?

[UncleMatt]

The idea that companies don't/shouldn't pay taxes is simply an idea that is promoted by people who are greedy, and don't WANT them to pay taxes. Its part of their agenda, not an economic fact.

Either the taxes are included in the price or the company is out of business.

Companies don't pay taxes. Their customers pay the taxes. Seriously where do the companies get the money to pay the tax? From the big money fairy in the sky? They print it?

Now if you can explain to me where the money comes from and show that the company itself pays the tax I'd like to see it. The company is the tax collector. The customer pays the tax.

No, I disagree with your OPINION.

If individual taxpayers/consumers don't have anyone to pass increases in THEIR costs to, why should any other entity in our economy enjoy that privelidge? Can I get a specific, direct answer to that question from any of you righties here?

As I said before, taxes should be paid for out of PROFIT, both with individuals AND companies. People who want to pretend that the only priorities our country should have should be on promoting corporate agendas are THE PROBLEM, not the solution. We need BALANCE in our economic priorities, not just focus on ONE SIDE of the equation and ignore the other as if it didn't exist.

[UncleMatt]

I always suggest that those ranting against greed send me their money since currently due to some unfortunate family circumstances I'm living below the poverty level. I have yet to receive a dime from those railing against greed.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not railing against my circumstances. My situation has allowed me to work for Polywell and some other things I am interested in. I am content. But still. Where is my check from those railing against greed? How about putting your money where your mouth is and send me a donation? I accept Master Card, Visa, Paypal, and Amazon. How hard can it be? Or are you anti-greed heads just like those you rail against. i.e. it is all projection.

BTW one of the procapitalists on this board has shown some kindness to me. Isn't it always like that?

WHat a wierd post! Are you the victim now? Because everyone here doesn't accept your political agenda as their own? Or send you money?

I am living below the poverty level as well. Have YOU and YOUR GROUP sent ME any money? I didn't get that $300 dollar "stimulas" check from GW, did you? I haven't collected one red cent of welfare OR unemployment since losing my job 3 years ago. Have you?

Many US citizens have it bad, but some of us recognize that throwing more money at the people who already control the vast majority of wealth in this country will not solve YOUR problems, or mine. Neither will pretending that "dat ebil gubmint" is somehow the devil, but the private sector is holy, and pure, and without fault.

Wealthy people are creating jobs in foreign countries, but not the USA, even when they receive HUGE tax breaks, and corporate welfare, and LOW corporate taxation from the USA. When that ends, maybe you and I will be able to live above the poverty level...

[UncleMatt]

I do marvel at liberals because they have faith that defies reason. No amount of evidence, explanation, or reason will sway their faith. Jesus should have such devoted followers.

The amusing thing is that the liberal faith defies arithmetic. Even followers of Jesus will not go that far.

When you learn to apply all of this drivel to YOUR own group, THEN MAYBE you will have a leg to stand on. Constantly characterizing people the way you do is not only self-serving, but extremely transparent. Especially when you turn a blind eye to everything you and your group does that is questionable or inappropriate.

[MSimon]

If individual taxpayers/consumers don't have anyone to pass increases in THEIR costs to, why should any other entity in our economy enjoy that privelidge?

Uh. Perhaps you are weak on the concept.

It is included in the price.

If you sell something wouldn't you include ALL costs in the price? Or would you prefer to sell at a loss.

[MSimon]

When you learn to apply all of this drivel to YOUR own group, THEN MAYBE you will have a leg to stand on. Constantly characterizing people the way you do is not only self-serving, but extremely transparent. Especially when you turn a blind eye to everything you and your group does that is questionable or inappropriate.

That is pretty content free.

[MSimon]

WHat a wierd post! Are you the victim now? Because everyone here doesn't accept your political agenda as their own? Or send you money?

Where did I ever say I was a victim? I said I was content. I did say that if you are so into redistribution there was no need to wait for government to steal your money. You could send it to me.

I see you object to that. As I expected. So why shouldn't others object to having their money taken? Or are you just as greedy as the rest?

I'm glad I make you angry with words. It shows just how weak your concepts are when they get applied to you.