Room-temperature superconductivity?

[johanfprins]

The argument didn't change. Just the perception of the presenter. I hate that.

It's a fascinating thread, and I include the substance Icarus' criticism, but not his snarky remarks.

BTW I like Icarus's "foot in mouth remarks" since he espouses dogma which has been believed for nearly 80 years as being "holy" within the physics-church. It gives me the opportunity to state my viewpoints. It is just a pity that he rarely follows up to say that he disagrees with what I have argued but just re-appears when he thinks he has another argument to corner me with.

His attitude is thus that it is impossible that I could be correct, no matter how logical my arguments are. It is this attitide which has killed physics slowly during the past 100 years.

This seems to be a worse situation MSimon - some of the people involved, including Johan, have Phds in relevant fields of physics, which you would think would engender some mutual respect. This seems to be an example of out of control academic politics, where someone else with a grad degree in your field, or a closely related field, disagrees with you, so you go on the offensive...

Yep this is what I have found during the past 10 years and eventually in desperation you also go back on the offensive. I am thus thankful to those contributors on this thread who everytime pointed out to me when I do this. It is hard not to get "pi--ed off" when a senior physicist, who is the chairman of a department at a university, suddenly refuses to understand elementary physics like Ohm's law.

There's really nothing wrong with just saying "I disagree with your interpretation" and listing your points why: x,y,z. That's actually what Art Carlson spent a year or two doing around here until there wasn't much more theory to discuss without new data. Yes, Art would occasionally get a bit snarky, but my primary impression of his posts was always one of clear reasoning...

I agree and hope that you will come to the same conclusion about me. So bring on Icarus, I just looove him!

[johanfprins]

Now they are fractionating electrons: The Complete Fractionalization of the Electron

You see this is where I believe the problem comes in: What is meant by "an electron"? The same as for an electron in free space? I do not think it can be so since, even within an ideal metal, the original valence electrons of the atoms (which had formed the metal) interact to form delocalised waves: Only when applying an electric-field, do such delocalised waves, in turn, superpose to form wave-packets which then act as charge-carriers. When switching off the electric field they spread back into delocalised waves.

Each wave packet is thus a superposition of ALL the delocalised waves (before switching on the electric field); and cannot have a one-to-one relationship with an original valence electron. N valence electrons = N charge-carriers; where each charge carrier is a superpostion of N delocalised waves. If the boundary conditions are such that the wave packets "fractionalise", these "fractions" are not "fractions of the original separate electrons".

[TallDave]

But now do the experiment in a different manner: First apply the magnetic field to generate a current and allow the current to dissipate after the magnetic field has become constant: ONLY THEN cool the ring through its critical temperature. Since there is now no electric field and thus no voltage difference around the ring, no current should be able to flow according to Mead's equation. BUT do the experiment and what will you find? When cooling through the critical temperature the current will again start up and flow even without an electric-field being present!

That's very interesting, I'd never heard of that experimental result before.

I think I need to learn more vector calculus. Sadly, it looks like Wikiversity hasn't gotten there yet.

http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Topic:Vector_calculus

[johanfprins]

But now do the experiment in a different manner: First apply the magnetic field to generate a current and allow the current to dissipate after the magnetic field has become constant: ONLY THEN cool the ring through its critical temperature. Since there is now no electric field and thus no voltage difference around the ring, no current should be able to flow according to Mead's equation. BUT do the experiment and what will you find? When cooling through the critical temperature the current will again start up and flow even without an electric-field being present!

That's very interesting, I'd never heard of that experimental result before.

Any laboratory working on superconduction should be able to demonstrate this experiment immediately; and cheaply by, for example. using an YBCO ring. It would be nice to confirm this fact again and post it on this thread. I do not have access to the materials and facilities anymore.

[DeltaV]

Sounds like a good thesis topic for some grad student, or advanced undergrad project.

[johanfprins]

I have just written what will be on the back page of the cover of my upcoming book. It might be of intrest to this thread and therefore I am posting it here:

"The author is internationally known in the field of diamond physics.

Ten years ago he extracted electrons from a modified diamond-substrate into the vacuum-gap between the diamond’s surface and an anode. At a critical voltage the extracted electrons filled the whole gap. These electrons then acted as charge-carriers; so that an electric-current started to flow between the diamond and the anode. By further extracting electrons, the density of charge-carriers increased. The latter increase mandates (from the impeccable laws of electronics) that the effective voltage (between any two points between the diamond and anode) decreases in concert. An extracted electron-density is thus eventually reached at which the latter voltage must become zero. Even after reaching this inevitable situation, it was, and still is, experimentally observed that an electric-current keeps on flowing.

It has been deduced (never directly proven) that superconduction occurs when electrons flow from one position to another without an effective voltage being present. The author is thus the first scientist ever who proved directly by experiment that this can actually happen; and he is also the first scientist ever who found the reason why this is possible.

The author wrote a book entitled “Superconduction at Room Temperature without Cooper Pairs” in which he outlined the actual physics which really causes superconduction. The “physics-church”, however, refused to even consider the possibility that the accepted dogma, developed over the past 80 years, might be wrong.

In desperation, the author re-examined elementary physics, and found that some of it has all along been based on invalid assumptions. This book is an analysis of some of the delusions which are being caused by the latter misconceptions. Although mathematical equations are quoted, any person with common sense will be able to follow the arguments in this book. All that is required is the ability to reason logically!"

[GIThruster]

Great stuff Dr. Prins, but let me hasten to add that IMHO, all reference to the "physics church" will hurt rather than help your cause. You're alienating the very people who you want to speak to. Just doesn't seem the best choice to me.

[ladajo]

Johann,
how about like this:

"The author is internationally known in the field of diamond physics.

An astounding experiment conducted ten years ago by the author, extracted electrons from a modified diamond-substrate into a vacuum-gap between the diamond’s surface and a conductor. At a critical voltage the extracted electrons filled the gap. These electrons then acted as charge-carriers; so that an electric-current started to flow between the two. The further extraction of electrons increased the density of charge-carriers. This increase mandated (from the laws of electronics) that the effective voltage (between any two points between the diamond and conductor) decreased in concert. An extracted electron-density was thus eventually reached at which the voltage became zero. After reaching this inevitable situation, it was astoundingly observed that an electric-current kept flowing.

It has been deduced (never directly proven) that superconduction occurs when electrons flow from one position to another without an effective voltage being present. The author is the first scientist who proved directly by experiment that this can actually happen; and he is also the first to reason out a plausible explanation why this is possible.

The author previously wrote a book entitled “Superconduction at Room Temperature without Cooper Pairs” in which he outlined the physics which he believes causes superconduction. The book directly challenged the 80 year old foundations of modern physics.

With this follow-on work, the author re-examines elementary physics. He presents credible thinking that presents alternate interpretations for the standing assumptions of electro-magnetic theory. An thorough analysis of the conceptual changes and implications is conducted along with comparison and justifications of changes to classic understandings. Although mathematical equations and advanced physics are discussed at length, the author has found a common man approach, allowing a full understanding and comprehension of his arguments by any reader.
This ground breaking work and cited experiments stands to revolutionize the very foundations of our understanding of electro-magnetic physics."

[Giorgio]

I have to agree with GIThruster on this one Johan.

Keep it as much neutral as possible.
Smart people reading the book will understand. Close minded one will not understand anyhow so, why bother?

Ladajo version is a good base to work on.

[lwillis]

Hi Johann,

For what it's worth, I have a suggestion regarding your writing style. These are rules that were drummed into me from various technical writing work over the years.

As a rule, you should avoid using superlatives. e.g. "impeccable", "irrefutable", "uncontestable", especially when you're referring to your own work.

Example, instead of "it can be proved by impeccable logic, based on the impeccable physics of electronic interfaces, that...", drop the superlatives, and simply state "it can be proved by logic, based on the physics of electronic interfaces, that...". This will read cleaner, more straight forward, and less like you're trying to force the conclusion on the reader before you've actually presented the case. Let the reader decide if your logic is "impeccable".

(btw: I'm really enjoying this thread, even though most of it is over my head)

[93143]

On that note, ladajo's version does use both "astounding" and "astoundingly" in the same paragraph... might come across as grandstanding...

[ladajo]

"The author is internationally known in the field of diamond physics.

An groundbreaking experiment conducted ten years ago by the author, extracted electrons from a modified diamond-substrate into a vacuum-gap between the diamond’s surface and a conductor. At a critical voltage the extracted electrons filled the gap. These electrons then acted as charge-carriers; so that an electric-current started to flow between the two. The further extraction of electrons increased the density of charge-carriers. This increase mandated (from the laws of electronics) that the effective voltage (between any two points between the diamond and conductor) decreased in concert. An extracted electron-density was thus eventually reached at which the voltage became zero. After reaching this inevitable situation, unexpectedly it was observed that an electric-current kept flowing.

It has been deduced (never directly proven) that superconduction occurs when electrons flow from one position to another without an effective voltage being present. The author is the first scientist who proved directly by experiment that this can actually happen; and he is also the first to reason out a plausible explanation why this is possible.

The author previously wrote a book entitled “Superconduction at Room Temperature without Cooper Pairs” in which he outlined the physics which he believes causes superconduction. The book directly challenged the 80 year old foundations of modern physics.

With this follow-on work, the author re-examines elementary physics. He presents credible thinking that presents alternate interpretations for the standing assumptions of electro-magnetic theory. An thorough analysis of the conceptual changes and implications is conducted along with comparison and justifications of changes to classic understandings. Although mathematical equations and advanced physics are discussed at length, the author has found a common man approach, allowing a full understanding and comprehension of his arguments by any reader.
This work and cited experiments stands to revolutionize the very foundations of our understanding of electro-magnetic physics."

[johanfprins]

Thank you GIThruster, Iadajo, Giorgio, Iwillis and 931434: Your comments have been extremely valuable. It is fortunate that I first posted this summary on this thread. I thus accept Iwillis' changes except for taking out the word "unexpectedly" since historically the "unexpected result" (which later became obvious from solid state electronics) is that the voltage has to become zero. If I were a better physicist at that time I would have deduced a priori that the voltage must become zero and should thus have been surprised that the current did not "pinch-off". I also made some modification at the end. Thus, it will now read:

The author is internationally known in the field of diamond physics.

A groundbreaking experiment conducted ten years ago by the author, extracted electrons from a modified diamond-substrate into a vacuum-gap between the diamond’s surface and a conductor. At a critical voltage the extracted electrons filled the gap. These electrons then acted as charge-carriers; so that an electric-current started to flow between the two. The further extraction of electrons increased the density of charge-carriers. This increase mandated (from the laws of electronics) that the effective voltage (between any two points between the diamond and conductor) decreased in concert. An extracted electron-density was thus eventually reached at which the voltage became zero. After reaching this inevitable situation, it was observed that an electric-current kept flowing.

It has been deduced (never directly proven) that superconduction occurs when electrons flow from one position to another without an effective voltage being present. The author is the first scientist who proved directly by experiment that this can actually happen; and he is also the first to reason out a plausible explanation why this is possible.

The author previously wrote a book entitled “Superconduction at Room Temperature without Cooper Pairs” in which he mathematically outlined the physics which he believes causes superconduction. The book directly challenged the 80 year old foundations of modern physics.

With this follow-on work, the author re-examines elementary physics. He presents credible thinking that presents alternate interpretations for quantum mechanics and for some of the standing assumptions of electro-magnetic theory. Although mathematical equations and advanced physics are discussed, the author has found a common man approach, allowing a full understanding and comprehension of his arguments by any reader.
This work and cited experiments stands to revolutionize the very foundations of our understanding of physics."

[ladajo]

Johann,
Ok, so now we must negotiate royalties...

On a serious note, it was my pleasure to help.

Regards,
Ladajo

[johanfprins]

Johann,
Ok, so now we must negotiate royalties...

Well I do not know whether I will make enough money before I die. But you do deserve a good beer or more (a good dinner?) if I ever get to beautiful Virginia again (?)

Thanks again!