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MSimon wrote:That is in accord with Feynman/Maxwell who treated inertial mass as a function of electric charge caused by the interaction of the moving charge on itself.

As Mead points out gravitational inertia is a harder problem.
An electron has mass: According to Galileo and Newton this means that it must be stationary within an inertial reference frame. Now if we accept this as one of the most basic laws in physics; and I am of the opinion that it is the most basic law in physics, actual uncertainties in position and momentum must be be null and void.

Now:
(i) Accepting that an electron is always a wave, then it must be a stationary wave within its own inertial refrence frame. What causes any wave to be a stationary wave? Boundary conditions!. Thus a "free solitary electron" must be a wave subject to boundary conditions which keeps it stationary within its inertial reference frame: i.e. the potential energy term within the differential wave equation modelling the electron cannot be set to be zero.

(ii) So what must these boundary conditions be? Well the electron is in equilibrium and its mass is inertia which opposes any force that wants to push it from this equilibrium state. The boundary conditions must thus relate to a restoring force trying to keep it in equilibrium. Thus, the appropriate wave equation will most probably render the solution for a harmonic oscillator: i.e. there is a "spring" constant which gives the electron wave its wave-energy; which is its rest mass. Where does this spring constant comes from? This is where Schroedinger's wave mechanics and Einstein's general theory of relativity comes together. And this is the reason why "particle physics" will never be reconciled with gravity and mass: Sorry Peter Higgs; but a nice try though!

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EDIT: bah, johan ninjaposted before me :p
DeltaV wrote:
GIThruster wrote:Obviously the reason I'm posting this here is that Albert Einstein, Randal Mills, Carver Mead and Johan Prins are all saying the same things. . .
So is Mendel Sachs
There are several places all over the web where you can find wave based models if you dont mind sometimes getting dangerously close to crank territory (not claiming so for those scientists mentioned above).

In my rudimentary layman understanding while the above mentioned respectable names all have the "particles are waves" theme in common, I dont think they are saying the same things even in the broadest sense.

As an example this is what Johan has to say regarding Carver Mead's model (on a different forum) -bold letters emphasis is mine-:
Carver Mead is totally correct to proclaim "waves only". I am, however, not in accord with his alternative model. He misses the point that all standing waves (electron- and light-waves) have inertia, and that the energy of such a wave is thus only mass-energy.
It seems to me this is not a minor caveat and hardly qualifies as "saying more or less the same": it is basically one of the two major cornerstones of Johan's theories (the other I would say is the realization that quantum fluctuations rather than kinetic acceleration is the cause of charge carriers movement on a superconducting phase).

I hope Im not coming across as nit picking just concerned that superficially focusing on certain terms/wording rather than the whole model would be used to dismiss Johan's work. I have seen it happen all too often on physorg's comments section during the last year.
Excuse me if i am missing the obvious.


Disclaimer: I am not a physicst but a computer engineer trying to learn his physics and find it quite overwhelming at times.

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nogo wrote: This is what Johan has to say regarding Carver Mead's model (on a different forum) -bold letters emphasis is mine-:
Carver Mead is totally correct to proclaim "waves only". I am, however, not in accord with his alternative model. He misses the point that all standing waves (electron- and light-waves) have inertia, and that the energy of such a wave is thus only mass-energy.

I hope Im not coming across as nit picking just concerned that superficially focusing on certain terms/wording rather than the whole model would be used to dismiss Johan's work. I have seen it happen all too often on physorg's comments section during the last year.
Thanks, I appreciate this realistic support very much.

I have just now again "googled" an extract of the first chapter of Carver Mead's book, and it is clear that our approaches are miles apart. He starts his treatise with a conceptual model using a superconducting loop and then calculating an induction L for a steady-state current through the loop by integrating with time over the applied voltage to the loop.

As I have pointed out numerous times, such a voltage is cancelled over a superconductor. Thus the integral he starts off with to define an "inductance", is only valid for zero inductance. If this implies that the rest of his theory rests on believing that this is a "no-zero" inductance, then it must be just as wrong as the BCS model: However, to make a final judgment, I will have to read the whole book.

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Johan, just for my curiosity what is your (or do you have) a personal opinion on gravity?

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Nogo, I think you're misinterpreting what I'm saying when I say that "they're all saying the same things". What they're saying that is the same, is that the Standard Model is broken. I'm not especially in sympathy with the "particles are waves" statements and yes there are all sorts of cranks online with their own pocket theories of everything. It's surprising how many bright engineers in particular have delusions of grandeur from each good idea they have. Reminds of something called "spin waves" I read about half a decade ago. . .

The real issue is the assault on the Standard Model. If you dare to disagree, you will be ostracized as Johan has been. The interesting thing about Carver Mead is that he has somehow survived without the persecution. Gotta have something to do with his Cal Tech card.

Fact is, everyone could easily be wrong in the vast bulk of what they propose to replace the Standard Model with, but their success would still be in showing that our physics is broken. Anyone who can do that would make a huge contribution to the human condition and theoretical physics in particular.
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If there is something that we can learn from history is that sooner or later the correct theory will prevail over the others.
I believe that new advances in technology will show in the coming decade which theory will take the place of the standard model.

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Giorgio wrote:Johan, just for my curiosity what is your (or do you have) a personal opinion on gravity?
Yes I have, but it must be accepted that it is an opinion that is not yet backed up by meticulous calculations; like my theory on superconduction is.

I believe that Einstein is correct to have derived that gravitation is not a force but the curvature of space around bodies of mass which affects the "free" movement of such bodies. I also believe that the mathematics he used, although not incorrect, might have painted a far more complicated scenario than what is required. A factor that I believe is important, which should have been brought into his theory, is that fact that what you observe "within" a moving reference frame is not always really happening in that reference frame: For example, our observation that a clock on a passing spaceship ticks away at a slower rate does not actually manifest on the spaceship. If it did, it would immediately violate Einstein's first principle of relativity that all reference frames are equivalent. It would, for example, imply that on a far-away planet moving nearly with light speed relative to the earth, the universe would be far younger than 14 billion years.

What intrigues me is that my interpretation that the intensity of a matter wave, like that of an electron, is its mass-energy, leads immediately to the further conclusion that the "tunnelling tails" are the curvature of space around the mass; and this thus seems to dovetail with Einstein's general relativity. Why would the intensities of all known harmonic waves be proportional to their energies; but a "probability" for an electron-wave?

The tunnelling tails as curvature of space make more sense than to postulate that they relate to the ability of an electron to tunnel through a thin material. The latter seems to me to violate Pauli's exclusion principle. Thus what is interpreted as tunnelling through a barrier is to my mind really jumping over a barrier by borrowing energy (delta)E for a time interval (delta)t: The same mechanism that makes superconduction possible.

I thus believe that a better understanding of the harmonic wave equation that must be used to model matter waves will also explain gravity in a simple manner. Note I am not referring to an equation like Dirac's equation here. I believe that Dirac's equation and his interpretation of a "Dirac Sea" took us far away from reality.

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Prins says Carver Mead's whole theory of electrodynamics must be wrong because it doesn't gel with his pet superconductor model .... uh-huh. Take a look at the list of inventions and experimental discoveries next to Prof. Mead's name.

PS: also take a closer look before you spout off again, the voltage he uses
only applies to the open loop case.

PPSS: 'no electric field' is a terrible place to begin any theory because the potentials are more fundamental than the E,B fields. I.e. begin with the potentials.

The vector potential is the nexus between EM, QM and GR ... hint: Maxwell referred to it as the 'angular impulse', see Kelvin (W Thompson, Maxwell's mentor)) and "Vortex atoms" for background to that statement, sub. particles for atoms.

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I can appreciate icarus' stated intention to spare us all any "bad science" but honestly, we're not children here.

Johan was gracious to admit: "If this implies that the rest of his theory rests on believing that this is a "no-zero" inductance, then it must be just as wrong as the BCS model: However, to make a final judgment, I will have to read the whole book."

I think Dr. Prins deserves a little more latitude than icarus is lending. Lets not put words in Johan's mouth.

The trouble with this sort of dynamic is it's always been dominated by a single thinker at a time. The solution is to get people to work together cooperatively, which ain't gonna happen with people pointing fingers.

Lets give Johan the time to read Mead's book and if icarus wants to contribute, I'm sure he'll read it as well. After all, the paperback is just a few dollars.
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Gotta have something to do with his Cal Tech card.
I have seen similar in political discussions where the "elite" alight. I'll be arguing against some lefty view and have my arguments dismissed out of hand. Until I mention that I'm a UChicago alum. Then I at least get respect if not agreement.

The argument didn't change. Just the perception of the presenter. I hate that.
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I want to thank GIThruster and MSimon for their relevant comments:
icarus wrote:Prins says Carver Mead's whole theory of electrodynamics must be wrong because it doesn't gel with his pet superconductor model .... uh-huh. Take a look at the list of inventions and experimental discoveries next to Prof. Mead's name.
Let me state clearly that I have the world of respect for Carver Mead's prowess as a physicist-engineer and his intellectial abilities. But it does not mean that he can never be wrong. Even Einstein divided by zero in one of his papers. As David Fasold said: "Intellectial brilliance is no guarantee against being dead wrong!"
PS: also take a closer look before you spout off again, the voltage he uses only applies to the open loop case.
Even though I might be proved wrong, my argument is that, even in the open loop case, a voltage cannot inititate or maintain the current through a superconductor; as Mead's equation implies. If a voltage, and thus its concomitant electric-field, is responsible for inititiating and generating the movement of charge-carriers through a superconductor, the voltage over two contacts to such a material can never be zero (while a current is flowing) as originally deduced by Onnes from his groundbreaking measurements on mercury.

Consider the following simple experiment: One has a superconducting ring which has been cooled through its critical temperature and a magnetic field is switched on along its axis. We should all agree that a current will start flowing around the ring. Now if Carver Mead's equation is correct, this means that the current is initiated by the induced electric-field around the ring.

But now do the experiment in a different manner: First apply the magnetic field to generate a current and allow the current to dissipate after the magnetic field has become constant: ONLY THEN cool the ring through its critical temperature. Since there is now no electric field and thus no voltage difference around the ring, no current should be able to flow according to Mead's equation. BUT do the experiment and what will you find? When cooling through the critical temperature the current will again start up and flow even without an electric-field being present!

Now switch the magnetic field off: This induces a reverse electric-field which according to Mead's equation should now act against the flow of the current. But it does not do so! The current merrily keeps on going as if there is no reverse induced electric field; Thus proving conclusively that the charge-carriers do not require an electric-field to constitute a current.
PPSS: 'no electric field' is a terrible place to begin any theory because the potentials are more fundamental than the E,B fields. I.e. begin with the potentials.
Why? Newton's second law begins with force; potentials are then derived from a force-field. So if there is a force-field there is a potential field and vice-versa. Furthermore, I did not say no electric-field, I said the applied electric field is cancelled so that it cannot be responsible for inititating and maintaining the current.
The vector potential is the nexus between EM, QM and GR ... hint: Maxwell referred to it as the 'angular impulse', see Kelvin (W Thompson, Maxwell's mentor)) and "Vortex atoms" for background to that statement, sub. particles for atoms.
And it has since been misunderstood and therefore misused. The "nexus" you refer to leads to the conclusion that the gradient of a scalar field can be a circular vector field; thus violating the most elementary laws of vector calculus. The gradient of any differentiable scalar field (whatever you might want to call the scalar field) is always a conservative vector field. It's loop integral must always be zero even if you want to call the scalar field "a phase". It cannot model a vortex: Mathematics has the same mathematical rules for any differentiable scalar field no matter what you want to interpret it to be physically. So where is your "nexus"?

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Johan, I am curious whats your take on the nature of matter regarding which so called "particles" actually exist.

I seem to recall reading somewhere that you accept protons, electrons and neutrinos. Neutrons being an entanglement (NOT a superposition) of a proton an electron and a neutrino, or at least, a wave that generates them under suitable conditions. The nature of a neutrino would be mostly unknown.
I dont have a quote at hand and I dont claim you wrote it that way but I believe that was the gist of it.

Could you summarize your thoughts on the subject?

Also, Whats your take on "spin"?

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nogo wrote: I seem to recall reading somewhere that you accept protons, electrons and neutrinos. Neutrons being an entanglement (NOT a superposition) of a proton an electron and a neutrino, or at least, a wave that generates them under suitable conditions. The nature of a neutrino would be mostly unknown.
I dont have a quote at hand and I dont claim you wrote it that way but I believe that was the gist of it.
Could you summarize your thoughts on the subject?
Firstly, I am not so well read on "particle physics" as I am on superconduction. I can state with confidence that the BCS model cannot model superconduction, and since a lot of "particle physics" is based on similar concepts and mathematics I suspect that it must be flawed.

But to start off we must first agree what a “particle” is. Let us thus look at the simplest “particle”: the electron. Experimentally it was proved by J J Thomson that it is “an entity” with mass and charge which moves like any entity with mass moves as if all its mass is concentrated at a single point: it centre-of-mass. Furthermore when applying an electric field the force acts at a point which could thus be the centre-of-charge. There was not any other proof that it must be particle. Like somebody in the audience asked Thomson: “Excuse me, but how could you have discovered a particle which nobody has ever seen?

At the beginning of the 20th century there was fierce discussion whether an electron has a volume or not. I will not go into details (rather see Feynman’s Lectures on Physics) but the consensus emerged and became holy dogma that an electron must be a point particle since if it is not its distributed charge will explode away from itself. These conclusions emerged twenty years before Schroedinger postulated his equation.

The fact is that Schroedinger’s equation removes the necessity for an electron being a “point particle”. When you solve this equation by assuming that only its phase angle changes with time, but not its amplitude, the intensity of the wave, within three-dimensional space, does not depend on time. Thus if it contains a distributed charge it cannot explode away from itself since this distribution is frozen within three-dimensional space.

In addition for all harmonic waves ever known in the history of physics, the intensity-distribution of the wave corresponds to its energy-distribution; and since the energy of a solitary electron must be its mass, its intensity distribution must correlate with its mass distribution: The wave must thus have a centre-of-mass

Furthermore, since the wave has mass its centre-of-mass must be stationary within its own inertial reference frame. Thus a free solitary wave must be a stationary wave within its own inertial reference frame. We also know from experiment that such a wave cannot have a large volume. Thus it must be a solution of a wave-equation which is a stationary wave with a small volume within its own reference frame. This in turn requires that the wave must be subject to suitable boundary conditions. This is not really surprising since Einstein’s general theory of relativity requires curvature of space around mass: A dead-give-away that boundary conditions must manifest within the inertial reference frame of an electron-wave.

Which boundary conditions can keep such a wave in stationary equilibrium? It must involve a restoring force: i.e. a force constant K. Thus the wave of an electron, within its own inertial reference frame, is most probably the solution of a harmonic oscillator with a wave energy equal to the mass of the electron.. When you rewrite the Schroedinger equation so that it does not have the rest mass of the electron as input and assume a single degree of freedom for the harmonic oscillations, one obtains a “zero-point” Gaussian wave with energy (1/2)h(nu). Eliminating nu, one can derive the mass of the electron in terms of the force constant and the same fundamental constants which define the fine-structure constant. In turn one can eliminate the force constant by assuming that it results from a positive charge situated over a fourth space dimension. The distance along this dimension defines a radius of curvature. One thus ends up with the mass of the electron as a function of this distance. The muon and tau particles are higher energy states generated by smaller allowed radii of curvature.

To make a long story short one can argue that a proton is a similar wave but its wave intensity has three peaks instead of only one as in the case of the electron, the muon and the tau. On can argue that when the distance along the fourth dimension becomes zero, the two charges coalesce and one then has a photon wave. The neutrino could be photon wave that has split over the fourth dimension without a separation of charges. etc.
Also, What’s your take on "spin"?
Firstly it is a simple task to prove that a single charge circling a point or an opposite charge as in the case of a Bohr atom cannot have a magnetic moment whatsoever. Thus the magnetic moment of an electron is not generated by any “spin”. All the matter waves are really light waves with inertia and since a light wave has an electric and a magnetic component, the matter waves also have a magnetic component which manifests as a magnetic moment within their inertial reference frames.

Now if you solve for the Gaussian wave of a solitary electron within its inertial reference frame when a magnetic field is applied, you find that the magnetic field affects the force constant so that the total energy of the electron becomes a function of the angle between the magnetic-field and the magnetic moment of the electron. When this angle is 90 degrees the increase in energy is a maximum, but when it is either zero or 180 degrees the increase is zero. Thus when applying a magnetic field, the electron can relax to maintain its lowest energy by aligning its magnetic moment either along or opposite the magnetic field. Thus before applying the magnetic field it does not have a magnetic moment along both directions. Schroedinger’s cat is not dead and alive.

I think I better stop here.
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Now they are fractionating electrons: The Complete Fractionalization of the Electron

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The argument didn't change. Just the perception of the presenter. I hate that.
It's a fascinating thread, and I include the substance Icarus' criticism, but not his snarky remarks.

This seems to be a worse situation MSimon - some of the people involved, including Johan, have Phds in relevant fields of physics, which you would think would engender some mutual respect. This seems to be an example of out of control academic politics, where someone else with a grad degree in your field, or a closely related field, disagrees with you, so you go on the offensive...

There's really nothing wrong with just saying "I disagree with your interpretation" and listing your points why: x,y,z. That's actually what Art Carlson spent a year or two doing around here until there wasn't much more theory to discuss without new data. Yes, Art would occasionally get a bit snarky, but my primary impression of his posts was always one of clear reasoning...

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