Focus Fusion July Update and other stuff.

Giorgio · Post by **Giorgio** » Mon Aug 09, 2010 5:05 pm

http://focusfusion.org/index.php/site/a ... ch_update/

http://focusfusion.org/index.php/site/a ... ts_reveal/
http://focusfusion.org/index.php/site/a ... detectors/
http://focusfusion.org/index.php/site/a ... a_effects/

ladajo · Post by **ladajo** » Tue Aug 10, 2010 5:10 am

So lets see, once again Focus can give us all sorts of detail on what they are doing and how it is going without fear of Proprietary Information Breaches detremental to the protection of intellectual (and financial) rights, and EMC2 can not even meet BY LAW required basic quarterly reportin while spending taxpayer dollars.

Giorgio · Post by **Giorgio** » Tue Aug 10, 2010 8:39 am

So true........

MSimon · Post by **MSimon** » Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:00 am

ladajo wrote:So lets see, once again Focus can give us all sorts of detail on what they are doing and how it is going without fear of Proprietary Information Breaches detremental to the protection of intellectual (and financial) rights, and EMC2 can not even meet BY LAW required basic quarterly reportin while spending taxpayer dollars.

One needs money the other does not. Consider Tri-Alpha. We know less about them than we do about Polywell. Why? For about 1 year Dr. B needed money. He did a document dump and he had made this over one hour long fund raising video which suckered in a lot of folks. Me included.

So far I'm still suckered. I think I'm getting my $.0004 dollars (.04 cents or 40 mils) a year's worth. Just from the entertainment value alone. And you meet such interesting people.

Skipjack · Post by **Skipjack** » Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:22 am

Just from the entertainment value alone. And you meet such interesting people.

Very true. To me the whole suspense about polywell and whether it will work or not is much more exciting than any thriller on TV.
And I met Msimon... That is a bonus

Edit: I do like to check the Focus Fusion page frequently too though. It is very interesting to see their small victories and failures every month. Its a bit more like a soap opera though...

Betruger · Post by **Betruger** » Wed Aug 11, 2010 6:35 am

Isn't this radio silence, incl. contradictory statements (Nebel/Bussard's altruistic mission statements), consistent with the expected couple of years head start the USA would buy itself by censoring all hints of success? As consistent as an ITER denial of failure scenario?

icarus · Post by **icarus** » Wed Aug 11, 2010 9:47 am

Yes and following along that kind of logic to its absurd conclusion, we would speculate that if we never hear about it again it is probably the best technology ever developed by the Navy and is going fantastically well.

Betruger · Post by **Betruger** » Wed Aug 11, 2010 10:18 am

1)
How does the "logic":
(A) The first few years of inarguably promising polywell success, after which any first tier country will notice this success and immediately be able to develop their own working designs, are the only years worth censoring.

Lead to (C) the conclusions:
Censorship is directly proportional to success.
The Navy must censor progress reports indefinitely.

?

2) And how is saying that A is consistent with B:
(B) There is manifestly some motivation at EMC2 and/or in the Navy to keep quiet, even if it means implicitly or explicitly contradicting previous official statements.

Tantamount to asserting (C)?

The absurd thing here is the lengths you'll take pedantic posturing. Any half-baked misinterpretation and semi-opportunity to mis-characterize is apparently excuse enough for one of your jaded little non-sequitur rimshots.
It's just ridiculous.

At least refute the arguments that are actually in my posts. Give me something to work with here, cmon. I don't know what your deal is, if Pons and Fleischman or Bussard or Nebel or Woodward or March kidnapped and microwaved your pet rabbit or something, but snap out of it already.

Aero · Post by **Aero** » Wed Aug 11, 2010 2:35 pm

icarus wrote:Yes and following along that kind of logic to its absurd conclusion, we would speculate that if we never hear about it again it is probably the best technology ever developed by the Navy and is going fantastically well.

Stop right here! You are verging on the most ultra-top-upper-secret of the world. Stop it! If the powers that be have to come back to Earth from their Unknown-About vacation planets in their unheard of UFO's to bend your will with perfect mind control using their totally intelligent automaton, you will be sorry. So stop it! Don't you realize that if you've never heard of it then it was fantastically successful?

IntLibber · Post by **IntLibber** » Thu Aug 12, 2010 4:21 am

Aero wrote:
icarus wrote:Yes and following along that kind of logic to its absurd conclusion, we would speculate that if we never hear about it again it is probably the best technology ever developed by the Navy and is going fantastically well.
Stop right here! You are verging on the most ultra-top-upper-secret of the world. Stop it! If the powers that be have to come back to Earth from their Unknown-About vacation planets in their unheard of UFO's to bend your will with perfect mind control using their totally intelligent automaton, you will be sorry. So stop it! Don't you realize that if you've never heard of it then it was fantastically successful?

If it is too successful then it will be deemed a threat and will be boxed up in Warehouse 13.

chrismb · Post by **chrismb** » Fri Aug 13, 2010 6:46 pm

I trust that we are all just 'kidding around' here, but it seems to me that some folks really do believe that successful science is, and has been, brushed under a darkened locked door.

I mean, it is obvious that all those geeks that made it happen are just the kinds of guys who are so minded to keep their work a secret that they only ever went into engineering for the money and to reenforce the political power of their nation and their politicians. Yeah! They really gonna be the kinds of guys who keep their mouths shut! Oh, unless the the 'agencies' knock them all off and there are dozens of geek bodies floating down the Potomac on a regular basis, and of course all their families who would be, similarly, summarily liquidated, then all the fellow employees of all those people who work with those families, &c., &c., until you end up with the 'open secret' that the Government knocks off geeks who come up with bright ideas who might otherwise blab. That's called North Korea, guys, not USA!

It's all cobblers and seems to be part of the US conspiracy culture. The simplest way to 'hide a secret' is to stick it out in the open where everyone can see it and people still don't believe it!

If you can keep some piece of work hidden and undisclosed for >10 years, then it means it didn't work! Some benefits are gained for short-term advantage and people do keep their mouths shut for a few years because they can see that need-benefit adviantage. But, get real, people are people and have big mouths - especially engineers!!

GIThruster · Post by **GIThruster** » Fri Aug 13, 2010 7:08 pm

Chris, there are all sorts of technologies that are kept secret in the name of national security. In metallurgy, folks don't even file for patent anymore. They just contact the authorities and work out an agreement, because they know USG will not issue patents for any metals with really significant advantages. The law has been on the books for decades, that allows USG to put any tech they deem in the nations defense interests, under covers. That's just how life is. This extends to lots of other things. To think USG doesn't have defense secrets is as wrong as assuming something is a secret without any reason to think so. Witness, we flew F117's daily for a decade before anyone knew we had the tech at all. . .

On the other hand, hearing nothing, really does mean nothing.

chrismb · Post by **chrismb** » Fri Aug 13, 2010 7:15 pm

GIThruster wrote:Witness, we flew F117's daily for a decade before anyone knew we had the tech at all. . .

Yeah. That's about the limit for people to keep their mouths shut, or to avoid any notice but anyone looking out and investigating, a decade. National secrets [engineering, that is, not bull-shit politics] in the Western World have a half-life, and this timing is about the limit.

Sorry, were you confirming my point, or saying it wasn't '10 years'?

Enginerd · Post by **Enginerd** » Fri Aug 13, 2010 7:26 pm

Aero wrote:Don't you realize that if you've never heard of it then it was fantastically successful?

Brian: I'm not the Messiah! Will you please listen? I am not the Messiah, do you understand? Honestly!
Girl: Only the true Messiah denies His divinity.
Brian: What? Well, what sort of chance does that give me? All right! I am the Messiah!
Followers: He is! He is the Messiah!
Brian: Now, <censored> off!
[silence]
Arthur: How shall we <censored> off, O Lord?

GIThruster · Post by **GIThruster** » Fri Aug 13, 2010 7:27 pm

I'm agreeing except that we do have stuff kept under wraps for much more than 10 years. I'd bet a search of the patent office would show no really useful new metals in more than 30 years. ("I'd bet" means I haven't checked.) The exceptions are noteworthy. Liquid metals are exceedingly useful, but they were developed in such a way that hiding them would have been nearly impossible.

So now we have better skiis. . .and what else one has to wonder.