some things are true abominations. No mosque at Ground Zero:
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2 ... dc94693228
I can think of nothing more in your face:
http://www.lookingattheleft.com/2010/06 ... ro-mosque/
It must be opposed if our nation has any will to survive:
http://www.lookingattheleft.com/2010/06 ... o-rally-2/
More at Atlas:
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atla ... osque.html
Where I spent Sunday Afternoon
I've little to no problem with religions that LEAVE ME ALONE when I want to be left alone. Jehovah's Witnesses? Mormons? Thank 'em politely, and they'll move on. You MAY have an occasional zoning issue with Hindus, but they're not going to get all in your face about it. And Buddhists? You hardly know they're there. Can't think of the last time a Hari Krishna stopped me at the airport for a donation...
Muslims, at least the 'evangelical' ones, don't seem to want to take NO for an answer. They're always demanding special rights, special treatment, special facilities - and we're so conditioned that if someone who is NOT Christian demands something (like the right to have their picture taken in full burqua for ID) people immediately go "Oh, we mustn't offend them!" and almost immediately cave. It's rare that someone says 'No'.
Mosque on Ground Zero? No. Mega-Mosque? Hell, no. We should already have come up with a tower TWICE as tall, as a hearty FU to the so-called "Religion of Peace".
But have you ever noticed that the left seems only concerned about 'rights' for oppressed religious minorities when said minorities present an actual potential THREAT? Makes me wonder if the Bahá'í might not get more respect with a few beheadings and car bombs...
Methodists? Catholics? Baptists? They know when to take 'No' for an answer. You don't often see head-hackers in their ranks. And I've worked for Muslims - they're good folks - the ones who actually want to assimilate into the local cultures.
But there's some who won't - and they're something else entirely. I don't have an answer - except to point out to them that THEY are tolerated, and must be tolerant of others in turn.
Muslims, at least the 'evangelical' ones, don't seem to want to take NO for an answer. They're always demanding special rights, special treatment, special facilities - and we're so conditioned that if someone who is NOT Christian demands something (like the right to have their picture taken in full burqua for ID) people immediately go "Oh, we mustn't offend them!" and almost immediately cave. It's rare that someone says 'No'.
Mosque on Ground Zero? No. Mega-Mosque? Hell, no. We should already have come up with a tower TWICE as tall, as a hearty FU to the so-called "Religion of Peace".
But have you ever noticed that the left seems only concerned about 'rights' for oppressed religious minorities when said minorities present an actual potential THREAT? Makes me wonder if the Bahá'í might not get more respect with a few beheadings and car bombs...
Methodists? Catholics? Baptists? They know when to take 'No' for an answer. You don't often see head-hackers in their ranks. And I've worked for Muslims - they're good folks - the ones who actually want to assimilate into the local cultures.
But there's some who won't - and they're something else entirely. I don't have an answer - except to point out to them that THEY are tolerated, and must be tolerant of others in turn.
When opinion and reality conflict - guess which one is going to win in the long run.
Progressives support Islam because it oppresses women and gays.
Not to worry. Iran and Turkey will be going to war with Israel soon.
Read this first:
http://senseofevents.blogspot.com/2010/ ... short.html
Some background:
http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=177512
Not to worry. Iran and Turkey will be going to war with Israel soon.
Read this first:
http://senseofevents.blogspot.com/2010/ ... short.html
Some background:
http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=177512
Engineering is the art of making what you want from what you can get at a profit.
Well, kcdodd - that's one thing that's always puzzled me about the left. They're very much supportive of the most repressive societies, with no condemnation of the misogyny or violent homophobia inherent in them. When there were videos smuggled out of Afghanistan of the Taliban killing women who dared show any skin at all, the feminist response here in the US was pretty much nonexistant.
It's wierd. Almost seems like the bad guys are the heros, while the folks attempting to stop them are to be fought tooth and nail.
It's wierd. Almost seems like the bad guys are the heros, while the folks attempting to stop them are to be fought tooth and nail.
When opinion and reality conflict - guess which one is going to win in the long run.
well, imho, I dont frick care about how people are treated in their societies as long as they leave MY society alone. If they want to mistreat women, thats their problem. Just dont try to mistreat women in my society.JLawson wrote:Well, kcdodd - that's one thing that's always puzzled me about the left. They're very much supportive of the most repressive societies, with no condemnation of the misogyny or violent homophobia inherent in them. When there were videos smuggled out of Afghanistan of the Taliban killing women who dared show any skin at all, the feminist response here in the US was pretty much nonexistant.
its just dumb to try to export democracy. If one day they decide to change, they will do it by themselves. Latin American countries didnt need the US liberating them from the right wing dictatorships.
In theory you are correct. In practice such disparities cause frictions and will have to be ironed out. Sooner is generally better than later.well, imho, I dont frick care about how people are treated in their societies as long as they leave MY society alone
You know - cultures under pressure get violent.
Engineering is the art of making what you want from what you can get at a profit.
Yet look at how the left decried the situation with Apartheid in South Africa. There was no problem condemning THAT (and rightly so). But the Rwandan genocide? Yawn. Sunni-Shi'a conflict in Iraq? Who gives a darn that Saddam's slaughtering one side? Turks-Kurds? So what?AcesHigh wrote:well, imho, I dont frick care about how people are treated in their societies as long as they leave MY society alone. If they want to mistreat women, thats their problem. Just dont try to mistreat women in my society.JLawson wrote:Well, kcdodd - that's one thing that's always puzzled me about the left. They're very much supportive of the most repressive societies, with no condemnation of the misogyny or violent homophobia inherent in them. When there were videos smuggled out of Afghanistan of the Taliban killing women who dared show any skin at all, the feminist response here in the US was pretty much nonexistant.
its just dumb to try to export democracy. If one day they decide to change, they will do it by themselves. Latin American countries didnt need the US liberating them from the right wing dictatorships.
Concern on the left seems to be very situational. As long as one side is melanin-deficient and of European heritage, they know which ones to blame. But if neither side is - or if it's strictly cultural, then it's best to ignore the whole thing because there's no easy target to rail against.
If we could just get each side in a regional or ethnic conflict to wear team colors, it'd be SO much less confusing for the left...
When opinion and reality conflict - guess which one is going to win in the long run.
JLawson wrote:Well, kcdodd - that's one thing that's always puzzled me about the left. They're very much supportive of the most repressive societies, with no condemnation of the misogyny or violent homophobia inherent in them. When there were videos smuggled out of Afghanistan of the Taliban killing women who dared show any skin at all, the feminist response here in the US was pretty much nonexistant.
It's wierd. Almost seems like the bad guys are the heros, while the folks attempting to stop them are to be fought tooth and nail.
I have been pondering this very question for this last week. Why are progressives SO antagonistic towards the Christians and the Jews, yet so completely non critical and even supportive of Muslims who advocate far worse treatment?
Should the side that liberal support win, a huge chunk of the people who vote liberal would simply not be tolerated. Women? " Shut up, or get your teeth knocked out! " Athiests ? " DIE ! " Homosexuals ? " Kill them FASTER ! " Jews ? " EXTERMINATE ! " Actors ? " We will not TOLERATE BLASPHEMY or immoral behavior ! " News People ? " You will report ONLY what we tell you ! "
As I mentioned to Skipjack previously. This is NOT a choice between Religion and the "leave me alone" (Athiest, Agnostic, Apathetic) mentality. This is a choice of which religion you are going to be forced to live with.
The notion that Athiests, Agnostics, and Apathetics will be able to ignore the force of religion is very much like Archimedes thinking he could ignore that Roman soldier.
Liberals need to wake up and realize that their lot could be far worse than it is currently. If it should come to pass that they get their just deserts for supporting the wrong side, I shall laugh at their fate every day after morning prayers.
AcesHigh wrote:well, imho, I dont frick care about how people are treated in their societies as long as they leave MY society alone. If they want to mistreat women, thats their problem. Just dont try to mistreat women in my society.JLawson wrote:Well, kcdodd - that's one thing that's always puzzled me about the left. They're very much supportive of the most repressive societies, with no condemnation of the misogyny or violent homophobia inherent in them. When there were videos smuggled out of Afghanistan of the Taliban killing women who dared show any skin at all, the feminist response here in the US was pretty much nonexistant.
its just dumb to try to export democracy. If one day they decide to change, they will do it by themselves. Latin American countries didnt need the US liberating them from the right wing dictatorships.
I would add a corollary to that. Democracy is dumb period. It has never worked in the entire history of mankind, and it will never work due to characteristics of human nature. Our Founders HATED democracy, and that is why they created this nation as a REPUBLIC. It is the subsequent foolish descendants that have slowly evolved our Republic into a democracy, and therein lies the seeds of our destruction.
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I think it was Churchill that said it right: The best argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter.Diogenes wrote:AcesHigh wrote:well, imho, I dont frick care about how people are treated in their societies as long as they leave MY society alone. If they want to mistreat women, thats their problem. Just dont try to mistreat women in my society.JLawson wrote:Well, kcdodd - that's one thing that's always puzzled me about the left. They're very much supportive of the most repressive societies, with no condemnation of the misogyny or violent homophobia inherent in them. When there were videos smuggled out of Afghanistan of the Taliban killing women who dared show any skin at all, the feminist response here in the US was pretty much nonexistant.
its just dumb to try to export democracy. If one day they decide to change, they will do it by themselves. Latin American countries didnt need the US liberating them from the right wing dictatorships.
I would add a corollary to that. Democracy is dumb period. It has never worked in the entire history of mankind, and it will never work due to characteristics of human nature. Our Founders HATED democracy, and that is why they created this nation as a REPUBLIC. It is the subsequent foolish descendants that have slowly evolved our Republic into a democracy, and therein lies the seeds of our destruction.
This guy seems to have a reasonably plausible answer to the question.
http://onecosmos.blogspot.com/2010/06/l ... alism.html
In his essay The Closing of the Liberal Mind, Bruce Bawer discusses the blatant contradiction of so-called liberals and their tacit (and often overt) alliance with Islamic terrorists, not just in Palestine, but all over Western Europe. He cites the example of Amsterdam, where life for homosexuals can be a living hell "because of predatory Muslim youth gangs who know that according to the teachings of Islam homosexuals deserve to be killed."
But the left just doesn't care. Why? One reason is that recognition of the reality would undermine their irrational faith in multiculturalism. They would have to acknowledge the self-evident truth that some cultures are better and more evolved than others, which is an impermissible thought on the left. And God -- or Gaia or Wakan Tanka -- forbid that Judeo-Christian culture be the most evolved of all! That would qualify as the ultimate secular heresy.
http://onecosmos.blogspot.com/2010/06/l ... alism.html