Lying About Birth Certificates.

[Diogenes]

The question of the 0s birth may not have been an issue had it not been met by evasion. As it was met by evasion, the question arises what was being hidden. Or maybe it was a reflex response to hide anything about his past, like all the college papers he supposedly wrote but no one can find.

This issue is bigger than just whether or not Obama evades any evidence regarding his past. It speaks straight to the level of incompetence of State Government officials in all 50 states. Obama should not have been ALLOWED to finesse this issue. State Government officials (who are responsible for verifying credentials) should have insisted on seeing REAL proof of his qualifications.

This is not the first time this has happened. In studying this issue, I'd discovered a story where in a previous election, some guy born in Brazil, and who wasn't even an American citizen at all, managed to get his name on the ballot in several states. Interestingly enough, California was one of the states that refused to allow him on the ballot because he didn't meet the qualifications.

How did the states verify Obama's qualifications to run for President? They made him sign a form which said He was qualified! Yeah, nobody would LIE on that form!

Here's the form he filled out for Arizona.

http://moniquemonicat.files.wordpress.c ... tizen2.pdf

Oh gee, that proves he's qualified. Sorry I doubted him.

[Diogenes]

I personally think everyone has a little bit of crazy in them, but they don't realize it because to them it seems normal. People can see others eccentricities, but usually not their own.

I revel in mine. It removes "crazy" from the argument. As in:

"Yes I'm crazy. But are you correct?"

My experience is that people can seem perfectly sensible and reasonable until you find some particular subject where they go into the twilight zone. (cue weird music) What this means is that you CAN talk to them as long as you steer away from their irrational subjects. NTTAWWTIYKWIMAITYD .

[Diogenes]

everything BUT Fox news is firmly in the hands of Liberals

I am a liberal, I see EVERY SINGLE network proffing up NOTHING but the right wing agenda but for 3 shows, Bill Moyers, Racheal Maddow and Kieth Olberman.

SO you have one network you think is OK, I dont even have one network.

As I haven't watched anything from any other news network for quite some time, I am not in a position to contradict you, however it seems incredible to me that such a change could have occurred in so short a time since I quit watching them. It is doubly incredible when considered in light of the fact that virtually every news channel employee is a member of a Union, and that the Main Hubs for the News Broadcasting Networks are in New York, a town that voted for Obama by 80% . Likewise the Entertainment Hub is Los Angeles, another extremely liberal town.

In any case, it doesn't deal with the issue of where MOST young Americans get their news, which is from their entertainment. Movies, Books, TV Shows, Magazines, etc. are virtually monolithic in their plots, storylines, characters. Here's an example of a recent movie that is nothing but political propaganda masquerading as entertainment.





The movie is about a Greedy and ruthless Military/Corporation engaging in terrorism against a race of alien tribesmen who are spiritually connected to nature and their primitive existence, but morally superior to the people who seek to steal their natural resources from them.

The movie steals plot ideas from "Dances with Wolves," "Pocahontas" and "Fern Gully", but it is consistent in it's condemnation of the Evil people who are supposed to resemble Capitalistic Americans, and it's support for the Nature loving, eco spiritual, primitive Communistic flower children who are supposed to resemble Multi-cultural Liberals.

This stuff brainwashes ignorant young people, and it's pervasive everywhere. This particular example is just a drop in the bucket for the overall pervasiveness of this sort of propaganda disguised as entertainment, and it doesn't even address the degree of Liberal representation in the schools and Academia, as well as the Government Employees themselves. Each States Department of Human Services is nothing but an employment service for Liberals, and a support service for Liberal constituents.

If you aren't seeing this, you are missing the forest for the trees.

[Diogenes]

As I said, the fact that Palin, will have her own show on FOX puts everything into perspective, I think.

From the guy that keeps insisting that "Planetariums" was a central issue in the McCain campaign, I have to say your perspective is peculiar to me. Whatever floats your boat dude.

[Betruger]

It's just a movie.

[Skipjack]

I do agree about Avatar being a stupid movie with a certain political message. I thought it was really dumb and I too employed the Pocahontas in space comparison, actually.

From the guy that keeps insisting that "Planetariums" was a central issue in the McCain campaign, I have to say your perspective is peculiar to me. Whatever floats your boat dude.

I dont understand what you think is pecular about my perspective. It was a topic that McCain brought up more than once. I cant help it, if you dont like it, tell him that. I did not make him do that or something. It is even mentioned on Wikipedia.
Heck I wished, he had not done that. I know of astronomers and people working somewhere in the space industry that got upset about it too.

[Diogenes]

I do agree about Avatar being a stupid movie with a certain political message. I thought it was really dumb and I too employed the Pocahontas in space comparison, actually.

The funny thing is, those OTHER movies (Dances with Wolves, Fern Gully, and Pocahontas) were ALSO political propaganda along the lines of NonWhite communelike peaceful Primitive people GOOD! Greedy Militaristic Western Capitalistic White people BAD !

One of the funniest things I heard about Avatar was from a guy that wrote an essay called "The Ten lessons I learned from Avatar." The only one I can remember is "Killing others is okay as long as you do it with arrows or other primitive weapons. "

From the guy that keeps insisting that "Planetariums" was a central issue in the McCain campaign, I have to say your perspective is peculiar to me. Whatever floats your boat dude.

I dont understand what you think is pecular about my perspective. It was a topic that McCain brought up more than once. I cant help it, if you dont like it, tell him that. I did not make him do that or something. It is even mentioned on Wikipedia.
Heck I wished, he had not done that. I know of astronomers and people working somewhere in the space industry that got upset about it too.

Never heard of it till you brought it up. Based on what I DO know, it isn't even on the list of things that were important. I went over this before.

FISCAL SANITY.
DEFENSE OF THE NATION.
FIGHTING THE WAR ON TERROR.

McCain (who's career i've kept up with since the 1980s.) Has always been a crusader against pork, (meaning Congress people getting money for their districts in exchange for their votes on other peoples bills.) and Corporate Welfare. (Farm Subsidies, etc.)

Where he goes wrong is with some of his touchy feely stuff, like McCain Feingold (one of the stupidest ideas i've ever heard of, and recently struck down by the Supreme Court. AMEN! ) and his opposition to stopping illegal immigration. A lot of Republicans have long wondered why McCain sometimes goes off into these bizarre tangent areas. (I know I have. I personally think this was his attempt to appeal to a segment of liberal/moderate voters that were never going to support him anyways. ) But on the major issues affecting this Country, McCain has always been rock solid.

"Planetaria" isn't even on the radar of important issue affecting this country, and your placing such significance on it reminds me of what one woman told me in 1992. I asked her who she was going to vote for and she told me "George Bush." I said "Why?" and she said "Clinton's hair reminds me of a televangelist."

We really need to require higher standards for voters.

[Diogenes]

It's just a movie.

So was "Triumph of the Will" and "Birth of a Nation." The stuff they make nowadays is a lot more subtle though.

[TDPerk]

"SO you have one network you think is OK, I dont even have one network."

I think that can only be because you are so far left you must be an asymptote of sinister chirality.

[Betruger]

You have other issues if you're subverted by Avatar. In fact one thing any kid (assuming that's who we're talking about here, precious small blond heads) who was brought up right should notice, is that all movies are subversive to some degree. And then recognize that the movie's just one cristalization of a particular slant on a particular set of ideas, and that one's brain or state of mind is the opposite - in flux. And able to horde as many ideas as possible and then let em all loose and see which one's the fittest.

I wanna follow my thought to its conclusion but I gotta run.. I do think Avatar's a great movie and I think the whole rant on its anti-military pro-gaia thing is a non-issue. I personally think both "sides" are ridiculous. It's a great movie IMO because it's well executed, and ultimately art is only about that. That's the point of art, esthetics. If you get completely won over by a piece of art, to the point of political activisim.. I dunno, something's amiss. Not seeing the forest for the trees.

[Skipjack]

The funny thing is, those OTHER movies (Dances with Wolves, Fern Gully, and Pocahontas) were ALSO political propaganda along the lines of NonWhite communelike peaceful Primitive people GOOD! Greedy Militaristic Western Capitalistic White people BAD !

Hehhe, true, true. I agree with you on that on ALL accounts.

I thought Avatar was a really bad movie and I am a 3d artist (and that movie was supposed to be every 3d artists wet dream, lol). I guess at some point I grew out of the whole "gotta watch every VFX movie there is so I can mentally masturbate over them).

"Planetaria" isn't even on the radar of important issue affecting this country, and your placing such significance on it

Hey, dont tell that to me! Tell that McCain! He brought it up multiple times. I did not think it was that relevant either, but I think that politicians should at least pretend that they have informed themselves about the topics they are talking about. And it was not just the "planetaria", he was also calling the Zeiss projector an overhead projector, which it is not.

[vankirkc]

everything BUT Fox news is firmly in the hands of Liberals

I am a liberal, I see EVERY SINGLE network proffing up NOTHING but the right wing agenda but for 3 shows, Bill Moyers, Racheal Maddow and Kieth Olberman.

SO you have one network you think is OK, I dont even have one network.

As I haven't watched anything from any other news network for quite some time, I am not in a position to contradict you, however it seems incredible to me that such a change could have occurred in so short a time since I quit watching them. It is doubly incredible when considered in light of the fact that virtually every news channel employee is a member of a Union, and that the Main Hubs for the News Broadcasting Networks are in New York, a town that voted for Obama by 80% . Likewise the Entertainment Hub is Los Angeles, another extremely liberal town.

In any case, it doesn't deal with the issue of where MOST young Americans get their news, which is from their entertainment. Movies, Books, TV Shows, Magazines, etc. are virtually monolithic in their plots, storylines, characters. Here's an example of a recent movie that is nothing but political propaganda masquerading as entertainment.





The movie is about a Greedy and ruthless Military/Corporation engaging in terrorism against a race of alien tribesmen who are spiritually connected to nature and their primitive existence, but morally superior to the people who seek to steal their natural resources from them.

The movie steals plot ideas from "Dances with Wolves," "Pocahontas" and "Fern Gully", but it is consistent in it's condemnation of the Evil people who are supposed to resemble Capitalistic Americans, and it's support for the Nature loving, eco spiritual, primitive Communistic flower children who are supposed to resemble Multi-cultural Liberals.

This stuff brainwashes ignorant young people, and it's pervasive everywhere. This particular example is just a drop in the bucket for the overall pervasiveness of this sort of propaganda disguised as entertainment, and it doesn't even address the degree of Liberal representation in the schools and Academia, as well as the Government Employees themselves. Each States Department of Human Services is nothing but an employment service for Liberals, and a support service for Liberal constituents.

If you aren't seeing this, you are missing the forest for the trees.

I was wondering when the Avatar dig was going to show up.

Back of the line young man. Much more powerful interests have already claimed the moral crusade against that particular flick, namely the Pope, the liberals (it's racist aparently), and the religious right.

[Diogenes]

I was wondering when the Avatar dig was going to show up.

Back of the line young man. Much more powerful interests have already claimed the moral crusade against that particular flick, namely the Pope, the liberals (it's racist aparently), and the religious right.

It's just one of the latest examples.

Remember Titanic? It wasn't a story about a ship hitting an ice berg and sinking. It was a story about the struggle between the Evil rich and the Righteous poor, between the stiff uptight upper crust, and the earthy wholesome fun loving morally superior working people.

Didn't you know they locked the poor people below decks? Didn't you see the rich guy grab a baby and pretend to be it's guardian so he could cowardly get onto a life boat?

It was about feminine empowerment, and bohemian adventure.

The real story of the Titanic mentions many very brave and self sacrificing things done by the rich guys, but of course that doesn't support the narrative.

Okay, so maybe Titanic and Avatar are outliers. Water World didn't have any political stuff in it did it ?

Oh, wait. It's Global Warming on Steroids, with the EVIL EXXON VAlDEZ prominent in the script.

Seriously, I could spend weeks detailing the propaganda disguised as entertainment that Hollywood unleashes on all of us. The effect of all this is to create mindsets of false realities in the immature and the gullible.

[Diogenes]

You have other issues if you're subverted by Avatar. In fact one thing any kid (assuming that's who we're talking about here, precious small blond heads) who was brought up right should notice, is that all movies are subversive to some degree. And then recognize that the movie's just one cristalization of a particular slant on a particular set of ideas, and that one's brain or state of mind is the opposite - in flux. And able to horde as many ideas as possible and then let em all loose and see which one's the fittest.

I wanna follow my thought to its conclusion but I gotta run.. I do think Avatar's a great movie and I think the whole rant on its anti-military pro-gaia thing is a non-issue. I personally think both "sides" are ridiculous. It's a great movie IMO because it's well executed, and ultimately art is only about that. That's the point of art, esthetics. If you get completely won over by a piece of art, to the point of political activisim.. I dunno, something's amiss. Not seeing the forest for the trees.

It's not just Avatar. It's virtually everything Hollywood does. Avatar is just a recent (and relatively blatant) example of this sort of Propaganda. Nowadays, there are too many children not raised with enough objectivity to realize they are being mentally manipulated by partisans in the entertainment community.

[Betruger]

Pretty much everything anyone says is biased. Sounds like a truism, but considering your denounciation of Hollywood as the evil here, it's not. Every news service is biased to some degree in some direction, every movie is idealized or unrealistic or misleading in some way, just as any work of fiction is flawed to some non-negligible extent in that way. Every work of fiction is a disappointment if you expect it to render and explain everything perfectly, as it really is. If you're reading a book or watching a movie or talking to someone and aren't taking it all with a grain of salt, with a grip kept on everything else directly and indirectly related to the matter, you're jumping down the rabbit hole with both feet all on your own. Hollywood didn't make you do it.

Children need more, not less, clashing ideas. The more vividly rendered and more poignant and engaging the ideas and consequent inner and outer debate between those ideas, the better.
And Hollywood is a commercial entity. What else should be expected? They have no responsibility whatsoever. Just like the news groups. Effectively like government. You get what you pay/vote for.