Media "Control" of the Elections?

[MSimon]

So, the primary complaint against Obama is that he's spending money when we're in an economic downturn? That's it?

Nope: He is PRINTING MONEY in a downturn.

[Diogenes]

It is a REQUIREMENT of the Highest law of the land, the United States Constitution, so yeah, I consider it pretty important.

Outdated requirement.

It is no more outdated than the Freedom of Speech, or Religion as outlined in the same document. Do you seriously think we should ignore the parts we don't like ?

Besides, according to everything we know, Obama was born in the US.

Two points.

1.We don't know anything other than what we are told by people who will intentionally lie to us. i.e. no independent verification. The Assertion is probably true, but remains unproven.

2. According to my research on the subject, being born in the country isn't good enough. Your parents, (and especially the father) Must be an American Citizen prior to your birth.

Of course angry losers of an election will never fail to invent conspiracies, right?

What conspiracy are you referring to? I am unaware of any conspiracy regarding this issue.

From what i've been able to read and discover, Barack Obama is dumber than a box of rocks.

You are fishing in the dark.
And McCain was actually known to have been the last of his class at the military academy. That takes some intelligence, I guess.

You are making my point FOR me! McCain's grades are not hidden and sealed. He released all information about himself. Don't think for a minute that the Super Genius Barack Obama wouldn't be shoving his GPA (Grade Point Average) in everyone's face if it demonstrated his awesomeness as much as he wishes everyone to believe.


Years ago I asked a wealthy friend if he got a pre-nuptial agreement from his wife before he married her. He said "I can't tell you. " I said, "You just did."

The evidence supports my side. Barack hides his documents because they would seriously screw up his life if they ever see the light of day.

[MSimon]

Well, in Obamas defence, Bush started with a much better situation than him. When Obama started, the damage was already done (by the previous administration).

And then had 9/11 to deal with. Not exactly an economy booster.

And then there is the CRA - the bottom layer on which the whole house of cards was built on. Mr. Obama voted for it and was praised by Mr. Mudd of Fannie (Freddie?) for his support.

[MSimon]

I think we have a clue.

[MSimon]

That said, I did not agree with everything Obama said. E.g. I dont think that a preschool education is of that big a need of improvement. I would rather make access to universities easier.

I disagree with you there. Do you have strong thoughts on how to improve education? Open up another thread if you're interested and I'd enjoy hearing your justifications.

Well, okay I don't entirely disagree. Preschool is a so-so issue. But elementary schools are really important to me.

Get better students. And I'm totally serious. My first mate is a teacher.

[MSimon]

Ladies and Gentlemen, there is Hope! And Change!

Media as we know it is changing. How many of you still watch the homogenizing broadcast news? Is it your major source of information? Do you trust it?

In one of the new polls, 18% of the people said they were "Tea Party"!

That group has been derided and called everything from racist to Nazi by the MSM. Currently, the narrative is "Angry".

The problem is, they cannot control Drudge, or any of the other sites teaching people about what is really happening, or stop the rest of us from spreading the word.

"Times they are a changing"

[Diogenes]

Then there's crap like this that keeps these rumors going.



The East African Standard | Online Edition

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Sunday, June 27, 2004


Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate

Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations.

The allegations that horrified fellow Republicans and caused his once-promising candidacy to implode in four short days have given Obama a clear lead as Republicans struggled to fetch an alternative.

Ryan’s campaign began to crumble on Monday following the release of embarrassing records from his divorce. In the records, his ex-wife, Boston Public actress Jeri Ryan, said her former husband took her to kinky sex clubs in Paris, New York and New Orleans.

http://web.archive.org/web/200406271427 ... 060403.htm


There's another magazine somewhere that published an "Obama born in Kenya" story, but I can't remember where I put the link. I personally think the Obama born in Kenya thing is just silly, but there's enough rumor mongering out there for some people to buy into it.

[Skipjack]

It is no more outdated than the Freedom of Speech, or Religion as outlined in the same document. Do you seriously think we should ignore the parts we don't like ?

Not as outdated as those two, but as outdated as the right to bear arms and the whole electorial vote thingy, which really both were born in times when "arms" referred to muskets and not automatic weapons and when there was not quick way to transfer voting results from all states to Washington.
Still, I can understand that some US citizens require it. But, building a whole conspiracy theory about "Obama being born abroad" and "the meadia covering this up" arround it, so you can claim that his election was illegal is just outright silly. It does not add up and the whole matter is not that big of a deal to justify this silly construed outrage.

The same goes about the grades. You are constructing a conspiracy out of a lack of knowledge.

And no, I was not making your point for you. With McCain I knew he was not the brightest, while Obama did not give me much to suspect that.

The evidence supports my side. Barack hides his documents because they would seriously screw up his life if they ever see the light of day.

There is no evidence!

[Betruger]

It doesn't seem right to single out smarts. Smart tyrant better than a simpleton statesman?

[Diogenes]

It is no more outdated than the Freedom of Speech, or Religion as outlined in the same document. Do you seriously think we should ignore the parts we don't like ?

Not as outdated as those two, but as outdated as the right to bear arms and the whole electorial vote thingy, which really both were born in times when "arms" referred to muskets and not automatic weapons and when there was not quick way to transfer voting results from all states to Washington.

The right to bear arms is not outdated. The movement to protect this right is rather powerful in this country. Many people do not seem to be aware that the purpose of this right is to turn those weapons against our government should the need arise. MANY people are thinking the need to do this appears to be steadily approaching.

Still, I can understand that some US citizens require it. But, building a whole conspiracy theory about "Obama being born abroad" and "the meadia covering this up" arround it, so you can claim that his election was illegal is just outright silly.

Unless I missed a piece of news, I've seen no irrefutable proof of where he was born. I doubt he was born out of the country, but until some sort of real proof is produced, no one really knows.

As far as his election being illegal, that might very well be the case, but if so, it would have more to do with the fact that his father was not a citizen than that he was born in or out of the country.

You see, i've looked into this subject, and it becomes quite apparent what the founders meant by "Natural Born Citizen" once you've researched it a bit. The meaning of the term in 1787 (which is the only meaning that matters) requires the Parents to be American Citizens, especially the Father.

All of that is moot though. The bulk of the American Public has become so ignorant of their history and language that they know longer comprehend when people violate their rights. I learned about "Natural Born Citizen" in Civics class, which apparently hasn't been taught for a very long time. Many people aren't even aware of the term, let alone the distinction.

It does not add up and the whole matter is not that big of a deal to justify this silly construed outrage.

That is in the eye of the beholder. I assure you there are many Americans that don't consider it silly.

The same goes about the grades. You are constructing a conspiracy out of a lack of knowledge.

If it is a conspiracy, it is a conspiracy of one. Obama alone has the key to unlock his records. The Fact that this arrogant narcissist has not done so tells anyone of perception what they need to know about the quality of his work.

And no, I was not making your point for you. With McCain I knew he was not the brightest, while Obama did not give me much to suspect that.

Really? I thought obama was an idiot from the very beginning. A man who has accomplished nothing on his own for his entire life wants to run for President? Yeah, he's an idiot.

The evidence supports my side. Barack hides his documents because they would seriously screw up his life if they ever see the light of day.

There is no evidence!

That IS the evidence.

Here's an example of how it works.

From the Sherlock Holmes story "Silver Blaze."

Inspector Gregory: "Is there any other point to which you would wish to draw my attention?" Holmes: "To the curious incident of the dog in the night-time." Gregory: "The dog did nothing in the night-time." Holmes: "That was the curious incident."

[Skipjack]

While I like Sherlock Holmes (a lot), I cant agree that a lack of data equals that data has been hidden away for some malicious purpose.
Again, that is a logical fallacy.

but until some sort of real proof is produced, no one really knows.

Not knowing is not "not the case".


My wife is a US citizen and we will have children together. I think it is rather silly that they should not have the right to persue a political carreer in the US based on the fact that I am not a US citizen. My wifes family has been US citizens for god know how many generations (there may even be some native american in her).

Alsd, dont forget that other than the native americans, very few people in the US are that far away from being an immigrant.

[Diogenes]

My wife is a US citizen and we will have children together. I think it is rather silly that they should not have the right to persue a political carreer in the US based on the fact that I am not a US citizen. My wifes family has been US citizens for god know how many generations (there may even be some native american in her).

Alsd, dont forget that other than the native americans, very few people in the US are that far away from being an immigrant.

You didn't take an American Civics class in high school, so you cannot be expected to understand the distinction between "Citizen" and "Natural Born Citizen."

That there is a distinction is easily provable by reading the US Constitution itself.

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;

You see that part there about "or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of Adoption of this Constitution" ?
This is the founders recognizing that NONE among them are "Natural Born Citizen"s because they all were born with allegiance to another nation.

They included this exemption because they didn't meet the criteria of a "Natural Born Citizen" according to their meaning of the term.

In 1787, a "Natural Born Citizen" was one who's Parents were both American Citizens at the time of his birth. This is the Jus Sanguinis (By right of Blood) concept of Citizenship. People nowadays think that it is the Jus Soli (by right of soil) concept that holds sway. It is not, because as both English Common Law holds, and Likewise according to the Law of Nations, an Ambassadors Child owes allegiance to his Fathers Nation, and not to the land in which he was born.

If you don't find that argument persuasive, how about a reference from the Naturalization act codified by the US congress in 1790?

And the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States:

Now you may think the requirement is silly. However, American Law has a means of amendment. Till it is amended, it remains in effect, silly or not.

edit: Oh, and by the way. It only applies to President and Vice President. Your children could pursue any job but those two. (You will thank me later!)


How about some objectivity here?

[Diogenes]

Oh, and on the Obama being stupid meme, I know MSimon is going to jump on me with both feet for this, but here's Mr. Genius while he was in College.






Yup. Sure looks like Presidential material to me. I actually wish he would go back to smoking the wacky weed.

Oh, and on the meme about the Media People manipulating public opinion here's this quote.

The pictures were taken in 1980 by then-aspiring photographer Lisa Jack who recently dug the negatives out from her basement. She put her negatives of Obama, a whole roll of film, in a safety deposit box until after the election so the photos couldn’t be used against him in any way.

Nice of her to protect the public from any false ideas about Obama.

[Skipjack]

She put her negatives of Obama, a whole roll of film, in a safety deposit box until after the election so the photos couldn’t be used against him in any way.

Hmm, you know if this is true then she really is not the smartest. I mean, she should have waited until the reelections are over.
But oh well, I guess there was money to be made.
You know, if you dig deep enough, there sure are plenty of compromiting photographs to find about everyone, especially from their early college years. Gee, I sure know there are quite a few of me out there (and I hope they never surface). G.W. sure had a lot of pics of him being drunk as hell, from what I know about him.
It is part of growing up. This only really turns bad, if you dont grow out of it. There are people like that. They never grow up.

PS: I think that is a cigarette he is smoking. I am sure there are some joint rolling experts out there, but that looks a tad to well rolled.

[Diogenes]

She put her negatives of Obama, a whole roll of film, in a safety deposit box until after the election so the photos couldn’t be used against him in any way.

Hmm, you know if this is true then she really is not the smartest. I mean, she should have waited until the reelections are over.

You have no problem with journalists hiding information which is detrimental to a specific political affiliation?

How about referees taking sides in sports, and covering up fouls for one team? Is that okay too?

People who don't intend to be fair need to wear the uniform of one side or the other and stop pretending to be fair.

PS: I think that is a cigarette he is smoking. I am sure there are some joint rolling experts out there, but that looks a tad to well rolled.

It is claimed that it is an ordinary cigarette, but he sure looks happy after smoking it. These are only two of the pictures in the set. I've seen several of the others, and if he's not getting high, he's sure making a good show of pretending to get high.

In any case, My point was, if he WAS getting high, just how good could his school work be during this time period?