Catastrophe Denied

seedload · Post by **seedload** » Tue Jan 26, 2010 1:53 pm

FYI

http://www.vimeo.com/8865909

A nearly perfect description of why I am a skeptic of catastrophic anthropologic global warming.

MSimon · Post by **MSimon** » Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:23 pm

A control theory specialist. A man after my own heart.

Josh Cryer · Post by **Josh Cryer** » Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:49 am

This is abysmal. He is using so much false data that it is laughable.

At least he prefers carbon-tax over cap-and-trade.

MSimon · Post by **MSimon** » Thu Jan 28, 2010 12:56 pm

Josh Cryer wrote:This is abysmal. He is using so much false data that it is laughable.

At least he prefers carbon-tax over cap-and-trade.

None of your predictions of disaster have come to pass.

Josh Cryer · Post by **Josh Cryer** » Fri Jan 29, 2010 1:04 am

MSimon wrote:None of your predictions of disaster have come to pass.

What predictions?

I've only said that sea level rise is going to be a big issue in a century.

You won't be alive. I will be alive in 80 years. I will have to tell my grandchildren and great-grandchildren why my generation did nothing about it.

I will blame your generation.

MSimon · Post by **MSimon** » Fri Jan 29, 2010 1:45 am

Josh Cryer wrote:
MSimon wrote:None of your predictions of disaster have come to pass.
What predictions?

I've only said that sea level rise is going to be a big issue in a century.

You won't be alive. I will be alive in 80 years. I will have to tell my grandchildren and great-grandchildren why my generation did nothing about it.

I will blame your generation.

Explain again why a rise of even 30 inches is going to be a big deal. Or why a continuation of even a 3 mm/ year trend (12 inches a century) is a catastrophe.

And dude. I have nothing to do with Chinese or Indian plans. Take it up with them.

Josh Cryer · Post by **Josh Cryer** » Fri Jan 29, 2010 2:04 am

MSimon wrote:Explain again why a rise of even 30 inches is going to be a big deal. Or why a continuation of even a 3 mm/ year trend (12 inches a century) is a catastrophe.

And dude. I have nothing to do with Chinese or Indian plans. Take it up with them.

Ice melt is non-linear, so I expect sea level rise to go up. Yes, you can note short term trends, and yes I can really do nothing about it. But I expect it to get worse, not better.

KitemanSA · Post by **KitemanSA** » Fri Jan 29, 2010 2:29 am

Josh Cryer wrote:This is abysmal. He is using so much false data that it is laughable.

Please define which data is false.
Thank you.

Josh Cryer · Post by **Josh Cryer** » Fri Jan 29, 2010 2:57 am

KitemanSA wrote:
Josh Cryer wrote:This is abysmal. He is using so much false data that it is laughable.
Please define which data is false.
Thank you.

Which part isn't?

MSimon · Post by **MSimon** » Fri Jan 29, 2010 3:54 am

Josh Cryer wrote:
KitemanSA wrote:
Josh Cryer wrote:This is abysmal. He is using so much false data that it is laughable.
Please define which data is false.
Thank you.
Which part isn't?

And everything you depend on for data is scare mongering by rent seekers.

MSimon · Post by **MSimon** » Fri Jan 29, 2010 3:59 am

"Reformers and professionals are alike politicians in search of jobs; both are trying to bilk the taxpayers. Neither ever has any other motive. If any genuinely honest and altruistic politician had come to the surface in America in my time I'd have heard of him, for I have always frequented newspaper offices, and in a newspaper office the news of such a marvel would cause a dreadful tumult. I can recall no such tumult."

H.L. Mencken

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- Groucho Marx

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"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false-face for the urge to rule it."

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"Demagogue: one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots."

- H.L. Mencken

KitemanSA · Post by **KitemanSA** » Fri Jan 29, 2010 4:03 am

Josh Cryer wrote:
KitemanSA wrote:
Josh Cryer wrote:This is abysmal. He is using so much false data that it is laughable.
Please define which data is false.
Thank you.
Which part isn't?

That is what I am asking you. Is the part he shows from the IPCC false? How bout the OTHER part from the IPCC? which part, since they are diametrically opposed. How bout...
Since he showed so much data from each side, what part specifically do you consider false? Specifically. Exactly. What part of the IPCC data are you calling false?

What? Won't answer? Ok, you are just venting the last gasp of a looser.

Vent away.

MSimon · Post by **MSimon** » Fri Jan 29, 2010 4:07 am

My job is to sow enough fear, uncertainty, and doubt, until the weather can finish the job.

Josh Cryer · Post by **Josh Cryer** » Fri Jan 29, 2010 4:16 am

KitemanSA wrote:That is what I am asking you. Is the part he shows from the IPCC false? How bout the OTHER part from the IPCC? which part, since they are diametrically opposed. How bout...

Since he showed so much data from each side, what part specifically do you consider false? Specifically. Exactly. What part of the IPCC data are you calling false?

What? Won't answer? Ok, you are just venting the last gasp of a looser.

Vent away.

Meh, I'll get you timestamps later (and I live up to my word, ask MSimon), so give me time to get around to it. Probably tomorrow. I will rebut the whole thing, or at least a good chunk of it.

Josh Cryer · Post by **Josh Cryer** » Fri Jan 29, 2010 4:20 am

MSimon,

The Jews could be put down very plausibly as the most unpleasant race ever heard of. As commonly encountered, they lack many of the qualities that mark the civilized man: courage, dignity, incorruptibility, ease, confidence. They have vanity without pride, voluptuousness without taste, and learning without wisdom. Their fortitude, such as it is, is wasted upon puerile objects, and their charity is mainly a form of display.

H.L. Mencken