F-22 production termination is premature

[MSimon]

Count on it.

So far he has not.

I take it you are not an American?

His popularity is crashing. Now below 50% and in free fall.

Let me add that the optimistic hope he will be no worse than Jimmy Carter. The pessimistic expect him to be much worse.

[MirariNefas]

Let me add that the optimistic hope he will be no worse than Jimmy Carter. The pessimistic expect him to be much worse.

That's clearly a misrepresentation. He still has his fan base and they optimistically think he will save the world.

In any case, I'm an American and I don't think he's really done anything horrible. Sub-optimal perhaps, but it's better than taking the chance of a Palin presidency that we'd have gotten with McCain.

[MSimon]

Let me add that the optimistic hope he will be no worse than Jimmy Carter. The pessimistic expect him to be much worse.

That's clearly a misrepresentation. He still has his fan base and they optimistically think he will save the world.

In any case, I'm an American and I don't think he's really done anything horrible. Sub-optimal perhaps, but it's better than taking the chance of a Palin presidency that we'd have gotten with McCain.

http://drhelen.blogspot.com/2009/11/dem ... ikely.html

Data from Rasmussen Reports national telephone surveys shows that 15.0% of Democrats in the workforce are currently unemployed and looking for a job. Among adults not affiliated with either major party, that number is 15.6% while just 9.9% of Republicans are in the same situation.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... cking_poll

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows that 27% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty-one percent (41%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -14. That matches the lowest Approval Index rating yet recorded for this President (see trends).

By a 3-to-1 margin, voters believe that tax cuts will create more jobs than additional government stimulus spending. Most also believe that canceling the rest of the stimulus spending will create more jobs than spending the money that’s been approved. On both topics, the Political Class disagrees.

I'm probably getting ahead of myself but I predict massive losses for the Ds in 2010. 50 seats minimum. Maybe 70. One good reason: Americans like divided government.

And of course he has his fan base. So he could go as low as 35%. By next year. And he will stay there.

Some polls already show Palin slightly more popular than Obama. From 5 Sept 2009:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... ama_mccain

Perhaps most stunning is the fact that Palin’s favorable ratings are now a point higher than either man at the top of the Presidential tickets this year. As of Friday morning, Obama and McCain are each viewed favorably by 57% of voters. Biden is viewed favorably by 48%.

Obama's big idea to try KSM in NY is wildly unpopular in that Democrat city.

And the Tea Parties are not going away. And unemployment is still rising.

Palin rising. Obama falling.

We can discuss it again in a couple of months and see if Obama's fall is a temporary blip or something more permanent.

My guess? By Nov 2010 Dr. Utopia will have lost some of his base. Maybe a lot. His support among blacks is starting to fall. Only about 4% so far. But look at those unemployment numbers for Democrats. Reality will eventually bite.

http://www.classicalvalues.com/archives ... _deep.html

Obama is sinking as well, and for the same reason: reality is setting in. He campaigned on competence, transparency, post-partisanship, pragmatism and accountability but has turned out to be a bumbling deceptive hyperpartisan ideologue who blames everything on Bush and/or Fox News

By Nov 2010 Bush will be very old news.

And what about Our Treasury Secretary? Everything is fine and getting better?

[UncleMatt]

Let me add that the optimistic hope he will be no worse than Jimmy Carter. The pessimistic expect him to be much worse.

That's clearly a misrepresentation. He still has his fan base and they optimistically think he will save the world.

In any case, I'm an American and I don't think he's really done anything horrible. Sub-optimal perhaps, but it's better than taking the chance of a Palin presidency that we'd have gotten with McCain.

http://drhelen.blogspot.com/2009/11/dem ... ikely.html

Data from Rasmussen Reports national telephone surveys shows that 15.0% of Democrats in the workforce are currently unemployed and looking for a job. Among adults not affiliated with either major party, that number is 15.6% while just 9.9% of Republicans are in the same situation.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... cking_poll

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows that 27% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty-one percent (41%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -14. That matches the lowest Approval Index rating yet recorded for this President (see trends).

By a 3-to-1 margin, voters believe that tax cuts will create more jobs than additional government stimulus spending. Most also believe that canceling the rest of the stimulus spending will create more jobs than spending the money that’s been approved. On both topics, the Political Class disagrees.

I'm probably getting ahead of myself but I predict massive losses for the Ds in 2010. 50 seats minimum. Maybe 70. One good reason: Americans like divided government.

And of course he has his fan base. So he could go as low as 35%. By next year. And he will stay there.

Some polls already show Palin slightly more popular than Obama. From 5 Sept 2009:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... ama_mccain

Perhaps most stunning is the fact that Palin’s favorable ratings are now a point higher than either man at the top of the Presidential tickets this year. As of Friday morning, Obama and McCain are each viewed favorably by 57% of voters. Biden is viewed favorably by 48%.

Obama's big idea to try KSM in NY is wildly unpopular in that Democrat city.

And the Tea Parties are not going away. And unemployment is still rising.

Palin rising. Obama falling.

We can discuss it again in a couple of months and see if Obama's fall is a temporary blip or something more permanent.

My guess? By Nov 2010 Dr. Utopia will have lost some of his base. Maybe a lot. His support among blacks is starting to fall. Only about 4% so far. But look at those unemployment numbers for Democrats. Reality will eventually bite.

http://www.classicalvalues.com/archives ... _deep.html

Obama is sinking as well, and for the same reason: reality is setting in. He campaigned on competence, transparency, post-partisanship, pragmatism and accountability but has turned out to be a bumbling deceptive hyperpartisan ideologue who blames everything on Bush and/or Fox News

By Nov 2010 Bush will be very old news.

And what about Our Treasury Secretary? Everything is fine and getting better?

Obama's approval rating is still well above 50%. And most of the other points you claim are true are simply not. Your right wing politics are obviously an agenda you feel the need to promote. Maybe you should start your own website so the rest of us can be spared your political diatribes on this forum.

[MSimon]

Dude.

Besides the opinions I have actual poll numbers. What you got?

The polls showing him above 50% oversample Democrats.

http://deanesmay.com/2009/11/18/the-inc ... ack-obama/

He’s under 50% in the latest Quinnipiac poll.

He’d also be under 50% in the ABC and CBS polls, but as Ed Morissey notes they are inexplicably re-weighting more and more Dems into these polls, such that even as Gallup shows the party gap moving to the GOP’s favor ABC/CBS are weghting +14/+13% Dems.

Rasmussen, of course, has had him underwater for quite a while.

There are links to the polls at the above url.

So how about a link to a poll from the past week showing what you claim. You know. Evidence.

So lets see from 57% to 50% (a little optimistic but heck) in 62 days. Say 3% a month. That puts him in base territory in 5 months. But hey it might take 10. Just in time for the elections.

And if the economy does a double dip he might get down to 30%.

But I admire you faith. Hope and Change. Honest Government. Transparency. A week to read the bills. Unemployment peaking at 9%. What could go wrong?

Nice Chart here on promised vs actual jobs:

http://biggovernment.com/2009/11/20/mr- ... -the-jobs/

And you got to love this headline:

Breitbart to AG Holder: Investigate ACORN or We’ll Release More Tapes Just Before 2010 Election

from: http://biggovernment.com/2009/11/20/bre ... -election/

I can see a bright future ahead for Democrats in Congress. In the unemployment lines.

Just think of all the Democrats coming up on charges during the election season: Murtha, Moran, Rangel, and others that don't come to mind right now. And how about Chris Dodd. A friend of Angelo's. Not so popular with voters. Especially those losing their homes.

But yeah. Everything is fine and trending in the right direction. Unless tis guy is right:

http://seekingalpha.com/article/174179- ... depression

[MSimon]

Goodness. Sarah Palin Favorable Rating 47%… Barack Obama Job Approval Rating 46%

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http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/20 ... rating-46/

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Ruh. Roh.

[TallDave]

In any case, I'm an American and I don't think he's really done anything horrible. Sub-optimal perhaps, but it's better than taking the chance of a Palin presidency that we'd have gotten with McCain.

What's with the Palinoia? If we were worried about the POTUS being unqualified, why would we vote for Obama?

I'm jst barely old to remember Reagan being treated the same way. Dems were thrilled when he was nominated; they thought he was an extremist and a dunce.

But I was willing to give Obama the benefit of the doubt. I had high hopes in January. Boy, have I been disappointed. While he's been the most sensible POTUS on marijuana since the 1930s, that's about the only consolation. He's looked nothing like what he campaigned as.

He ran on competence, transparency, post-partisanship, pragmatism and accountability. Instead he's been a bumbling deceptive hyperpartisan ideologue who blames everything on Bush and/or Fox News.

[rcain]

He's looked nothing like what he campaigned as.

..whereas Palin at least campaigned as an ignorant fool. So you're right, far less room for dissapointment there then.

btw. I despise all politicians. And I'm not an American. I'll butt out then...

[DeltaV]

I'm an American, but I'm no longer fooled by the phony two-party paradigm. A wise teacher in elementary school taught us that the political spectrum is really a circle, with the tips of the left and the right wings touching, both wings being connected to the same turkey.

[MSimon]

Palin has a certain charm. She is the only female politician of stature that I know of who can gut a moose she has killed. It appeals to the American frontier mentality. There is still a lot of that going on here abouts.

And an Obama supporter heard her speak in Hong Kong on economic policy and said she was very bright. He wouldn't vote for her though because of policy. Which I think makes the point even stronger. He was arguing against interest.

She fairly well represents a view not common elsewhere in the world called libertarian. So she is misunderstood. However, the libertarian strain in American politics is fairly strong - about 23% of the electorate. What they usually get labeled as is swing voters.

And let me echo TallDave's point. Obama has been good (relatively) on marijuana. He has taken the first small steps towards bringing drug prohibition to an end. Otherwise he has fallen far and fast in my estimation. And not just with me.

Short version of libertarian American style - socially moderate, fiscally conservative, favors a strong military. Not to be confused with Libertarian which is a party that favors a weak military posture.

[MirariNefas]

Data from Rasmussen Reports national telephone surveys shows that 15.0% of Democrats in the workforce are currently unemployed and looking for a job. Among adults not affiliated with either major party, that number is 15.6% while just 9.9% of Republicans are in the same situation.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... cking_poll

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows that 27% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty-one percent (41%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -14. That matches the lowest Approval Index rating yet recorded for this President (see trends).

By a 3-to-1 margin, voters believe that tax cuts will create more jobs than additional government stimulus spending. Most also believe that canceling the rest of the stimulus spending will create more jobs than spending the money that’s been approved. On both topics, the Political Class disagrees.

Why yes MSimon, I too googled "Obama approval ratings" and read this exact article. I did so right before my last response.

And for what it's worth, I have a job, in case you were alleging that I'm a Democrat.

I'm probably getting ahead of myself but I predict massive losses for the Ds in 2010.

Not getting ahead of yourself at all. I completely agree, and thought so the moment Obama was elected. Isn't a switch what happens just about every mid-term election?

Some polls already show Palin slightly more popular than Obama. From 5 Sept 2009:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... ama_mccain

Perhaps most stunning is the fact that Palin’s favorable ratings are now a point higher than either man at the top of the Presidential tickets this year. As of Friday morning, Obama and McCain are each viewed favorably by 57% of voters. Biden is viewed favorably by 48%.

That surprises me. But I rest secure knowing that if she gets in the spotlight more it will go down.

Palin rising. Obama falling.

Unfortunately, but it probably won't go anywhere. And I'm still glad she isn't next in line for presidency behind an ailing man.

We can discuss it again in a couple of months and see if Obama's fall is a temporary blip or something more permanent.

I would be very happy to see where this goes in a couple of months, I hope you remember to bring it up again.

[MirariNefas]

Palin has a certain charm. She is the only female politician of stature that I know of who can gut a moose she has killed. It appeals to the American frontier mentality. There is still a lot of that going on here abouts.

My subjective view is that this isn't too popular among the educated.

She's made an ass of herself a lot. I'm betting that every time she does, it gets saved and stuffed in a file for negative campaign ads come election season. My favorite is rather specialized, but she came out against fruit fly research. It was hilarious, and galling. No geneticist will ever vote for her. Too bad that isn't much of a voting block.

Short version of libertarian American style - socially moderate, fiscally conservative, favors a strong military. Not to be confused with Libertarian which is a party that favors a weak military posture.

Thank you, I wasn't aware that there was a difference.

*edit: spelling

[Skipjack]

Well if Palin ever were to become President (god beware), welcome at least 4 more years in which the US makes themselves the laughing stock of the world (as were the last .
Sorry, but really. That woman has the IQ of a watermelon.
I thought that Bush was pretty dumb, but Palin beats him on the idiocy scale by a long shot.
"Joe sixpack..." ROFL

Anyway, it took Bush 8 years to ruin the country. Do you really, sanely believe that anyone would be able to fix that within 11 months?
Get realistic!

[krenshala]

Note the numbers; 700 F-15s to be replaced by (now) 187 F-22s

...and how many UAVs?

That said, I do agree that the F15s need replacement. I am surprised they are still in service at all.
Though I do have to wonder what all the other planes are good for then (F16, F18, F117)?
A matter of to many types of planes in service maybe?

F15 (and F22) are air-to-air dog-fighters. Meant for various different roles. The F18 (used by the USN and USMC, but not the USAF as far as I'm aware) is basically the same role as the F15/F22.

The F16 is pure interceptor ... small, fast, relatively lightly armed, but able to quickly close with incoming aircraft/ground units/ships.

The F117 is a light bomber, NOT a fighter, and fills a role better filled (now) by the F22 since the F117 is slightly smaller, but also slightly easier to "see" on radar. Even the F35 would do the F117s job better than the F117 can.

BTW, the F22 was (at least originally) meant to be a US only warplane targeted specifically at the air (or aerospace) superiority role, while the F35 was intended from the outset to be used by NATO (and some other) forces. The three variants on the F35 (A, B and C models) were to have it better fill certain specific roles and thus replace various different aircraft currently in service (e.g., the F16, Harrier, and F18 are three that immediately come to mind, but I remember there were others it was to be able to replace).

[TallDave]

welcome at least 4 more years in which the US makes themselves the laughing stock of the world (as were the last

Shrug. I remember when we were the laughingstock of the world because of Reagan.

The rest of the world is poorer and less free than us, and what prosperity and freedom it does have it owes largely to us. If the world wants to laugh, more power to them. The nice thing about being the world's sole superpower is not having to worry much about what the rest of the world thinks.

Anyways, I've seen their media. Most of them make MSNBC seem reasonable and centrist. It's not surprising people in other countries are confused.