Pretty soon there won't be any crime in Colorado at all.

[hanelyp]

The solution is not dollars, the solution is to stop funneling dollars and let real world consequences cull the herd of the irreparably stupid and pathological. The survivors will embrace a better culture.

Why does that sound like MSimon's argument...

I recall MSimon making a similar argument awhile back, before he went off the deep end on drugs. Back when his arguments routinely made sense.

A point that socialist welfare programs allow people who engage in self destructive behavior to survive, where without such programs such people would shape up or remove themselves as an influence on society.

[MSimon]

The solution is not dollars, the solution is to stop funneling dollars and let real world consequences cull the herd of the irreparably stupid and pathological. The survivors will embrace a better culture.

Why does that sound like MSimon's argument...

I recall MSimon making a similar argument awhile back, before he went off the deep end on drugs. Back when his arguments routinely made sense.

A point that socialist welfare programs allow people who engage in self destructive behavior to survive, where without such programs such people would shape up or remove themselves as an influence on society.

Well then why are you wasting time fighting drugs? You know where to put your energy.

BTW Alcohol Prohibition was ended in part because of kids selling alcohol in school.

Prohibition is a vector for the spread of.....

It seems that in America only those who claim to be Masters of History can't learn from it. And who would those Masters be? Republicans. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so funny.

[Diogenes]

I don't see how that's not corruption.

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[Diogenes]

I recall MSimon making a similar argument awhile back, before he went off the deep end on drugs. Back when his arguments routinely made sense.

A point that socialist welfare programs allow people who engage in self destructive behavior to survive, where without such programs such people would shape up or remove themselves as an influence on society.

Well then why are you wasting time fighting drugs? You know where to put your energy.

BTW Alcohol Prohibition was ended in part because of kids selling alcohol in school.

Prohibition is a vector for the spread of.....

It seems that in America only those who claim to be Masters of History can't learn from it. And who would those Masters be? Republicans. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so funny.

Simon, we are all aware that your raison d'être is the strongly held and verging on religious belief that all the problems of the world could be solved if we just made it easier for people to get high.



But there are also OTHER causes of the world's problems. And problems that seemingly have nothing at all to do with drugs. From my perspective, it appears that you are fiddling while the world burns.



I saw this today. (Warning Graphic!) Now you might think your drug advocacy is more important, but I disagree. Your issue is not even on my list of important issues.


I also find it odd that you are seemingly immune to the latest horrible news occurring all over the world. But at least we can take solace in the fact that we didn't get that D*mn bible thumper in the Illinois Senate. He would have been a disaster. Thanks for that!

[MSimon]

Simon, we are all aware that your raison d'être is the strongly held and verging on religious belief that all the problems of the world could be solved if we just made it easier for people to get high.

But there are also OTHER causes of the world's problems. And problems that seemingly have nothing at all to do with drugs. From my perspective, it appears that you are fiddling while the world burns.

Well D I knew you were going to say something like that so I posted some stuff including stuff from the 9/11 Commission that said had law enforcement not been obsessed by drugs, 9/11 had a good chance of being prevented:

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5533

My point? It is your drug obsession - not mine - that is hurting the country. Your desire to punish with government things you don't like.

Think of people dying every day from cancer that don't need to because of your drug obsession. A cure for cancer is no small thing. And I'm not going to post all the material again. You had your chance to read it.

This will all be coming out - sooner now that Colorado has legalized and research is more easily done.

Think of the little girl who just died because she couldn't get medical cannabis to control her seizures.
http://www.buffalonews.com/city-region/ ... s-20140718

And there are at least hundreds of conditions (like brain tumors) if not thousands that could be helped were it not for your love of prohibition. Not to mention all your friends who are the last bulwark of that monumental error.

I know you think of yourself as a moral guy. Don't all the deaths you are complicit in bother you?

I was once a supporter of communism and all the deaths I was complicit in bothered me. They still do. It is why I changed. I acknowledged my error. You have yet to face yours. As far as I can tell.

Jesus was big on healing the sick. You are big on denying them medicine. And yet you think of yourself as Christian. Well maybe you are. But it is not the Christianity of Jesus.

[MSimon]

I had a discussion with some Southern Baptists a while back and they told me flat out that stopping people from getting high was way more important than healing the sick.

And yet Jesus turned water into wine to enliven a wedding party.

[mvanwink5]

Sorry to get between you two, but the obvious solution is not a police state, but to dose the atmosphere with a useful pacifying chemical gas or lace the food supply. Progressives will eventually get around to that. This may be a fictional invention, which I have mentioned before tongue in cheek, but it goes right to the heart of Progs and their view that the collateral damage is acceptable when the goal is undertaken with a "pure heart."

Look it up. G23 Paxilon Hydrochlorate.... a barrel of laughs for those that can laugh at such tragedy (albeit fictional), it is just that the drug war and collateral damage is not fictional, just pure ugly tragedy, a Prog's pure hearted dream come true.

[GIThruster]

I had a discussion with some Southern Baptists a while back and they told me flat out that stopping people from getting high was way more important than healing the sick.

If there is anyone here who believes this story, please post a note. I think you'd have to be an idiot moron to believe a story like this. And this is the trouble, Simon. Your drugs make you all manner of foolish to think anyone would believe such a story. And note, this is not just a cognitive failure on your part. Drugs always turn out to be a thoroughly moral issue, and because of them you have been all your adult life, a thoroughly immoral man. This is why no one believes you.

You want to change our minds? Go get a job and stop sucking the life out of all those around you. No one can take a man seriously who lives as a parasite.

[Diogenes]

Well D I knew you were going to say something like that so I posted some stuff including stuff from the 9/11 Commission that said had law enforcement not been obsessed by drugs, 9/11 had a good chance of being prevented:

Simon, I cannot even take your criticism seriously. It is just TOO FAR OUT THERE.


It doesn't resonate because my perspective is completely unrecognizable in your portrayal. You aren't going to get anyone feeling guilty unless you get some energy transfer. You have a serious impedance mismatch between your signal and the load.


What is further baffling is why you think this signal should over ride other signals, which appear to be so much more important than that one. Even if all your allegations were accepted at face value, your "harm" represents a drop in the bucket compared to all the other potential harms out there.


Drugs and the legalization thereof is simply not on my radar, nor do I think it deserves to be. It is a trivial issue and always has been. It does not rise to the level of worthy consideration, and it is my opinion that we give it far too much as it is.

[Diogenes]

Look it up. G23 Paxilon Hydrochlorate.... a barrel of laughs for those that can laugh at such tragedy (albeit fictional), it is just that the drug war and collateral damage is not fictional, just pure ugly tragedy, a Prog's pure hearted dream come true.

Yes, i'm a Serenity fan as well.


The damage caused by not having a drug war is worse, but nobody ever thinks along those lines because Libertarians are incessantly pointing out all the abuses which have occurred in the drug war. (Which really isn't a War. For a real drug war, see Singapore.)



For real world experimental evidence of what occurs in the absence of a drug war, see China.

[Diogenes]

If there is anyone here who believes this story, please post a note.

Dude, I wish you would curtail some of your criticism. We can disagree without being disagreeable.

[Betruger]

I don't see how that's not corruption.

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It's you that didn't understand what I'm getting at. No biggie.

[GIThruster]

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[MSimon]

This, if it becomes common knowledge could totally screw with the Republicans:

Republican big money donors torture children for profit - scroll down for the good stuff. BTW they are doing it with Medicaid money.

[MSimon]

I had a discussion with some Southern Baptists a while back and they told me flat out that stopping people from getting high was way more important than healing the sick.

If there is anyone here who believes this story, please post a note. I think you'd have to be an idiot moron to believe a story like this. And this is the trouble, Simon. Your drugs make you all manner of foolish to think anyone would believe such a story. And note, this is not just a cognitive failure on your part. Drugs always turn out to be a thoroughly moral issue, and because of them you have been all your adult life, a thoroughly immoral man. This is why no one believes you.

Documented here:

http://classicalvalues.com/2014/02/chri ... l-grounds/

You will note that I only use public sources and none of my private conversations with them.

Study up on the endocannabinoid system of the body. It naturally goes after cancer cells. You can look it up.

https://www.google.com/#q=how+endocanna ... ncer+cells The top link in that survey is a US government site.

Now imagine being against a cancer cure because it also gets people high. Do you think people will stand for it?