Gun Stop

[MSimon]

Man from Florida pulled over in Maryland for a gun check. By the locals.

http://classicalvalues.com/2014/01/your ... ere-is-it/

Well who knows? He might have been carrying dope. After all he had a CC permit in Florida. And everyone knows guns and drugs go together.

Edit: Changed NJ to Maryland.

[Stubby]

not in Maryland??

brb

[Stubby]

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/201 ... -downhill/

[williatw]

I would sue the crap out of them....get some kind of a settlement. Wonder how he knew in the first place to ask if he had a gun? Apparently when he ran the license no. (& why did he think to do that), it must have come up with that information? Or could it be that he simply saw the Florida plate, decided he might just be a CCW holder, and decided then and there to follow, stop, obviously just hoping he would be carrying and he could bust him for it.

[paperburn1]

The new cameras in the cop cars read almost every license plate that passes by. When you set up the system you can tailor the program to “hit” on certain parameters. CC is one of them
Mobile ANPR use is widespread among US law enforcement agencies at the city, county, state and Federal level. According to a 2012 report by the Police Executive Research Forum, approximately 71% of all US police departments utilize some form of ANPR Mobile ANPR is becoming a significant component of municipal predictive policing strategies and intelligence gathering as well as for recovery of stolen vehicles, identification of wanted felons, and revenue collection from individuals who are delinquent on city or state taxes or fines, or monitoring for "Amber Alerts". ↵ Successfully recognized plates may be matched against databases including "wanted person", "protection order", missing person, gang member, known and suspected terrorist, supervised release, immigration violator, and National Sex Offender lists. In addition to the real-time processing of license plate numbers, ALPR systems in the US collect (and can indefinitely store) data from each license plate capture. Images, dates, times and GPS coordinates can be stockpiled and can help place a suspect at a scene, aid in witness identification, pattern recognition or the tracking of individuals.
An early, private sector mobile ANPR application has been applications for vehicle repossession and recovery, although the application of ANPR by private companies to collect information from privately owned vehicles or collected from private property (for example, driveways) has become an issue of sensitivity and public debate Other ALPR uses include parking enforcement, and revenue collection from individuals who are delinquent on city or state taxes or fines. The technology is often featured in the reality TV show Parking Wars featured on A&E Network. In the show, tow truck drivers and booting teams use the ALPR to find delinquent vehicles with high amounts of unpaid parking fines.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_ ... ecognition

[paperburn1]

combined with this we have 1984
http://www.gigapixel.com/image/gigapan-canucks-g7.html
cammera system used to monitor the crowd.

[MSimon]

"predictive policing"

So you don't even have to actually commit a crime any more. The police just have to predict that you might and it is open season on you. Marvelous.

So what is now in place is a GuessStoppo.

BTW some how the Maryland police knew he had a CCP from Florida. Which means there is likely a Federal register.

[williatw]

BTW some how the Maryland police knew he had a CCP from Florida. Which means there is likely a Federal register.

I believe that paperburn is indicating that the license nunber (or bar code?) is read by the system/scanner on the police car. In my state of Ohio, if you have a CCW permit (like I do) if the cop runs your license, I believe it automatically comes up. So yes a registry of CCW holders, if not gun owners exactly. Although anyone who thinks those "back ground checks" before gun (and in some cases ammo) purchase "disappears" afterwards is welcome to purchase the Holland Tunnel from me.

[paperburn1]

Having a FFL I will attempt to explain this. There is no such thing as a Federal Registration. Each state has its own. All states can use the call in background check for purchases and private sales through the federal data base but those records are supposed to be destroyed by law after 90 days. All holders of the FFL must keep their records for the ATF to inspect at any time. All FFL are subject to yearly and random inspections of records. You may not dispose of records without the ATF written Permission . Any failure to keep the records in the prescribed form is a violation. Any violation can result in the removal of your license , fine or jail time. Even as simple as putting a period where one does not belong can result in a reprimand. (had to drive to Raleigh ones for a five min meeting on to use a black pen only when filling out the gun book.) So even though the federal government does not keep records they have access to them at will. They also share CCW information between states for local law enforcement. So when they run your plate that information shows on the cops screen no matter what state you’re from Even Florida. The program was called RAPTOR but I am sure they have something better now.
It is better stated that I work under a FFL licence and can use the NICS system. The owner of the pawnshop has the licence.

[MSimon]

BTW some how the Maryland police knew he had a CCP from Florida. Which means there is likely a Federal register.

I believe that paperburn is indicating that the license nunber (or bar code?) is read by the system/scanner on the police car. In my state of Ohio, if you have a CCW permit (like I do) if the cop runs your license, I believe it automatically comes up. So yes a registry of CCW holders, if not gun owners exactly. Although anyone who thinks those "back ground checks" before gun (and in some cases ammo) purchase "disappears" afterwards is welcome to purchase the Holland Tunnel from me.

So how does Maryland know he has a CCP in Florida? Are Florida and Maryland exchanging information? A Defacto national database? Well that is a comforting thought.

[MSimon]

I'm starting to think that the Black market is looking like a better option. Under most circumstances. Or maybe

http://classicalvalues.com/2014/01/deregulation/

Is the answer.

[paperburn1]

So how does Maryland know he has a CCP in Florida? Are Florida and Maryland exchanging information? A Defacto national database? Well that is a comforting thought.

Under a law that allows for LEO safety, the CCW info can be shared but not the weapon type. So it is not a registry, they just know you have the permit. Part of the rules for CCW in NC is that you have to declare to any officer stopping you if you are armed or not. I believe if you are armed they have the right to inspect and hold your weapon until the stop is complete. If memory serves me correctly the CCW exchange info is participated by 46 states and two territories.

[MSimon]

So how does Maryland know he has a CCP in Florida? Are Florida and Maryland exchanging information? A Defacto national database? Well that is a comforting thought.

Under a law that allows for LEO safety, the CCW info can be shared but not the weapon type. So it is not a registry, they just know you have the permit. Part of the rules for CCW in NC is that you have to declare to any officer stopping you if you are armed or not. I believe if you are armed they have the right to inspect and hold your weapon until the stop is complete. If memory serves me correctly the CCW exchange info is participated by 46 states and two territories.

Police States always have the best laws. For the police. Wouldn't it be simpler if the police stayed in their cop shop until there was a complaint? You know like:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

[ladajo]

So how does Maryland know he has a CCP in Florida? Are Florida and Maryland exchanging information? A Defacto national database? Well that is a comforting thought.

Under a law that allows for LEO safety, the CCW info can be shared but not the weapon type. So it is not a registry, they just know you have the permit. Part of the rules for CCW in NC is that you have to declare to any officer stopping you if you are armed or not. I believe if you are armed they have the right to inspect and hold your weapon until the stop is complete. If memory serves me correctly the CCW exchange info is participated by 46 states and two territories.

Police States always have the best laws. For the police. Wouldn't it be simpler if the police stayed in their cop shop until there was a complaint? You know like:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

As I posted in the other thread, we only asked someone if they were armed if we had decided to process them.