Only Mao Can Save Us

[MSimon]

In the late eighteen-thirties, an imperial commissioner in China named Lin Zexu arrested dealers, and destroyed more than a million kilos of opium. But the British East India Company, which brought the drug from India, went to war, forced China to reopen its ports, and resumed importing enough opium to satisfy the millions of users. This began what is known in China as the Century of National Humiliation.

More than a hundred years later, Mao Zedong adopted a more ruthless version of Lin Zexu’s approach, tearing up fields, breaking pipes, and executing dealers. In some provinces, addicts were required to register with the local police, and there were rumors that anyone who had ever smoked opium would be rounded up and killed. At the beginning of Mao’s reign, more than twenty million Chinese smoked opium. Within a few years, opium use in mainland China had all but disappeared.

Why did Mao succeed where Lin Zexu had failed? The victory was due in part to Mao’s characteristic willingness to terrorize his people. But even more important were changes in the supply chain. In 1890, poppy cultivation was legalized, and soon domestic opium production exploded. During the Second World War, the Japanese colonized eastern China, planted opium, and encouraged consumption. By the mid-forties, when they left, almost all of the Chinese opium supply was homegrown. Mao did not have to argue with foreign governments, or bribe them, or send his armies abroad to burn the crops of indigent farmers, only to have them replant the moment he was gone. Unlike Lin Zexu, he could attack both the demand and the supply sides of the opium trade within the borders of his own country.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2014 ... ntPage=all

What we need in the US is a Great Leap Forward. And at least 10 million dead bodies. Not to mention a dictatorship of the Proletariat. That will stop all this drug nonsense once and for all.

An interesting movie on how Mao accomplished his goals:

http://viooz.co/movies/4871-the-last-emperor-1987.html - Peter O'Toole is in it.

[choff]

It should be noted that the same crowd of people who profited from the opium trade in China(Yale and his friends) were the same people running Mao. It's called problem reaction solution/divide and conquer, same model they're running everyplace else.

[MSimon]

It should be noted that the same crowd of people who profited from the opium trade in China(Yale and his friends) were the same people running Mao. It's called problem reaction solution/divide and conquer, same model they're running everyplace else.

Some history: http://www.angelfire.com/mi4/polcrt/Yale.html

Mao was a Yale man: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=154829.0

A Yale social club:

William H. Russell (Skull &Bones; co-founder-1833) cousin Samuel Russell formally established Russell & Co. on January 1, 1824 for the purpose of acquiring opium and smuggling it to China. Russell & Co. merged with the number one US trader, the J. & T.H. Perkins "Boston Concern" in 1829. By the mid-1830s the opium trade had become "the largest commerce of its time in any single commodity, anywhere in the world." Russell & Co. and the Scotch firm Jardine-Matheson, then the world's largest opium dealer working together were known as the "Combination." George HW Bush (S&B 1948) was born in Milton, Massachusetts not far from the historic home of Robert Bennett Forbes, a Russell partner. Many great American, European and Chinese family fortunes were built on the "China"(opium) trade. Yes, they sold porcelain, tea, silks and other items at home in the US, but they "needed" the trade in opium for silver to pay for the desired goods and—opium smuggling returned "handsome" profits
http://www.ctrl.org/boodleboys/boddlesboys2.html

Elihu Yale was born near Boston, educated in London, and served with the British East India Company, eventually becoming governor of Fort Saint George, Madras, in 1687. He amassed a great fortune from trade and returned to England in 1699. Yale became known as quite a philanthropist; upon receiving a request from the Collegiate School in Connecticut, he sent a donation and a gift of books. After subsequent bequests, Cotton Mather suggested the school be named Yale College, in 1718.

A statue of Nathan Hale stands on Old Campus at Yale University. There is a copy of that statue in front of the CIA's headquarters in Langley, Virginia. Yet another stands in front of Phillips Academy in Andover, Massachusetts (where George H.W. Bush ('48) went to prep school and joined a secret society at age twelve).

Nathan Hale, along with three other Yale graduates, was a member of the "Culper Ring," one of America's first intelligence operations. Established by George Washington, it was successful throughout the Revolutionary War. Nathan was the only operative to be ferreted out by the British, and after speaking his famous regrets, he was hanged in 1776. Ever since the founding of the Republic, the relationship between Yale and the "Intelligence Community" has been unique.

In 1823, Samuel Russell established Russell and Company for the purpose of acquiring opium in Turkey and smuggling it to China. Russell and Company merged with the Perkins (Boston) syndicate in 1830 and became the primary American opium smuggler. Many of the great American and European fortunes were built on the "China"(opium) trade.

http://www.voxfux.com/features/scull_bones_opium.html

And yet not a word about Afghanistan from the usual subjects around here.

[Stubby]

It should be noted that the same crowd of people who profited from the opium trade in China(Yale and his friends) were the same people running Mao. It's called problem reaction solution/divide and conquer, same model they're running everyplace else.

Some history: http://www.angelfire.com/mi4/polcrt/Yale.html

Mao was a Yale man: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=154829.0

A Yale social club:

William H. Russell (Skull &Bones; co-founder-1833) cousin Samuel Russell formally established Russell & Co. on January 1, 1824 for the purpose of acquiring opium and smuggling it to China. Russell & Co. merged with the number one US trader, the J. & T.H. Perkins "Boston Concern" in 1829. By the mid-1830s the opium trade had become "the largest commerce of its time in any single commodity, anywhere in the world." Russell & Co. and the Scotch firm Jardine-Matheson, then the world's largest opium dealer working together were known as the "Combination." George HW Bush (S&B 1948) was born in Milton, Massachusetts not far from the historic home of Robert Bennett Forbes, a Russell partner. Many great American, European and Chinese family fortunes were built on the "China"(opium) trade. Yes, they sold porcelain, tea, silks and other items at home in the US, but they "needed" the trade in opium for silver to pay for the desired goods and—opium smuggling returned "handsome" profits
http://www.ctrl.org/boodleboys/boddlesboys2.html

Elihu Yale was born near Boston, educated in London, and served with the British East India Company, eventually becoming governor of Fort Saint George, Madras, in 1687. He amassed a great fortune from trade and returned to England in 1699. Yale became known as quite a philanthropist; upon receiving a request from the Collegiate School in Connecticut, he sent a donation and a gift of books. After subsequent bequests, Cotton Mather suggested the school be named Yale College, in 1718.

A statue of Nathan Hale stands on Old Campus at Yale University. There is a copy of that statue in front of the CIA's headquarters in Langley, Virginia. Yet another stands in front of Phillips Academy in Andover, Massachusetts (where George H.W. Bush ('48) went to prep school and joined a secret society at age twelve).

Nathan Hale, along with three other Yale graduates, was a member of the "Culper Ring," one of America's first intelligence operations. Established by George Washington, it was successful throughout the Revolutionary War. Nathan was the only operative to be ferreted out by the British, and after speaking his famous regrets, he was hanged in 1776. Ever since the founding of the Republic, the relationship between Yale and the "Intelligence Community" has been unique.

In 1823, Samuel Russell established Russell and Company for the purpose of acquiring opium in Turkey and smuggling it to China. Russell and Company merged with the Perkins (Boston) syndicate in 1830 and became the primary American opium smuggler. Many of the great American and European fortunes were built on the "China"(opium) trade.

http://www.voxfux.com/features/scull_bones_opium.html

And yet not a word about Afghanistan from the usual subjects around here.

oh i would not say that
the 'uniforms getting darker' thread has been around a long time.
the move towards authoritarianism continues.....

[MSimon]

oh i would not say that
the 'uniforms getting darker' thread has been around a long time.
the move towards authoritarianism continues.....

The author of that thread just prefers a different brand of authoritarianism. Which I find most amusing.

The real difficulty is that you have to totally reject any authority to have any chance against authoritarianism. Humans do not do that well. It is scary.

In fact the author has given up the authority brand he is trying to sell. Too funny.

[Diogenes]

The reason why there was Opium cultivation in China was to deliberately crash the price of the drug so as to make importing it unprofitable. This was a deliberate long range plan by the Chinese government to fight back against the British drug trade with economic tactics.


The plan worked to quite a large extent. It did wreck the British profits on the drug, and as a result the British eventually acquiesced to winding down their drug import business. At least they did so formally. Behind the scenes they kept trying to keep it alive anyway, but World War II put the final nail in the coffin for the British opium business.


What Simon fails to realize is that once you have wrecked a nation as badly as China was wrecked by legalized drugs, a dictator becomes a foregone conclusion.


Ironically, Simon will get a dictator faster if he gets what he thinks he wants. His is the flip side of the Prohibitionist's foolishness.

[Diogenes]

And yet not a word about Afghanistan from the usual subjects around here.

Probably because the "usual subjects" ( I assume you meant suspects) are sick to F***ing death of this topic, and do not give two shits about exploring yet another iteration of nonsensical arguments about how all the problems of the world will be solved if we just allow everyone to take whatever drugs they want.

[Diogenes]

The author of that thread just prefers a different brand of authoritarianism. Which I find most amusing.

No Simon, the author of that thread recognizes that no nation can survive which allows it's citizens to commit mass suicide.

When you were in the Navy, you were regarded as government property, and if you abused yourself in such a way as to make you unfit for duty, you would become a liability which no military could tolerate.

The concept is similar for the citizens of a nation. A nation can deal with some stupidity, but when it starts killing higher and higer percentages of the population, there comes a time where a nation must either intervene or die.


China died.

The real difficulty is that you have to totally reject any authority to have any chance against authoritarianism. Humans do not do that well. It is scary.

In fact the author has given up the authority brand he is trying to sell. Too funny.

You obviously haven't given up the snake oil you are trying to sell. Here you are, once again, misstating other's positions and then arguing at the Strawman you thus created.



No nation can survive the mass suicide of it's population. If it cannot defend itself, another government will be imposed upon it against it's will. Nature abhors a vacuum.

[Diogenes]

oh i would not say that
the 'uniforms getting darker' thread has been around a long time.
the move towards authoritarianism continues.....

And with an Irony you are too dense to comprehend, it is fueled by the support of people such as yourself.

[MSimon]

oh i would not say that
the 'uniforms getting darker' thread has been around a long time.
the move towards authoritarianism continues.....

And with an Irony you are too dense to comprehend, it is fueled by the support of people such as yourself.

Au contraire my friend. You work directly for the dark uniforms giving them material support. But who knows. I might soon be doing the same. I need the money. But unlike you I have no illusions. The people controlling the uniforms are playing both ends against the middle.

You my friend think you are on the side of the good guys. I'm just in it for the money. And the chance to play with the tech. Long after the uniforms are gone and their controllers are dust the tech will remain. And that is the limit of my noble impulse.

[MSimon]

You obviously haven't given up the snake oil you are trying to sell. Here you are, once again, misstating other's positions

Well I dunno. Aren't you an atheist who decries the loss of religion?

Oddly I think I'm a very religious person. The head office sends me messages direct. And I listen.

You are no doubt familiar with the book of Samuel. You ought to read it again and get right with ... Give up your craving for a King and your desire to place a King over others. But people crave a Master. Most want to be slaves. And in their disfigurement they prefer that others crave slavery as well. The disfigurement is then not so noticeable.

But we are all slaves to our desire to be warm in winter and eat regular. I would prefer to have no other Masters however.

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When I was blogging regularly I did a bit on heroin. I had an addiction counselor tell me that in his experience all the addicts he had ever worked with were abused children. A number of current and former addicts chimed in to agree.

Dr. Lonnie Shavelson found something similar. There are organizations that are designed to assist former control addicts. Here are two:

http://www.leap.cc/

http://www.citizensopposingprohibition.org/

The head of the second ( http://www.citizensopposingprohibition.org/ ) is a close internet friend of mine.

You my friend take glee in abusing abused children. You ought to give it up. It dirties your soul. Assuming you have one.

[choff]

My point would be that the same people who move the drugs into America are the same ones pushing the drug war, all the while eroding democracy. The first axiom in war is 'know your enemy,' and its not the users or street level dealers, it's the guys going through the revolving door from Intel to banking to politics to business.

[Diogenes]

oh i would not say that
the 'uniforms getting darker' thread has been around a long time.
the move towards authoritarianism continues.....

And with an Irony you are too dense to comprehend, it is fueled by the support of people such as yourself.

Au contraire my friend. You work directly for the dark uniforms giving them material support. But who knows. I might soon be doing the same. I need the money. But unlike you I have no illusions. The people controlling the uniforms are playing both ends against the middle.

You my friend think you are on the side of the good guys.

I think i'm on the side of evolution. I'm on the side of concepts that work, and have been proven over milllenia.


I recognize that we are in an unusual place in human history, where the proponents of idiocy only exist because of unparallelled prosperity brought on by the success of the system which they wish to supplant. But that it is a temporary condition. Their foolishness is wrecking that prosperity, and it will only be a matter of time before reality reasserts itself and puts a stop to this artificially created nonsense. Natural selection always wins in the end.

I'm just in it for the money. And the chance to play with the tech. Long after the uniforms are gone and their controllers are dust the tech will remain. And that is the limit of my noble impulse.

I'm well aware of your truculence. I would wish that you could be reasoned with, but you have such a strong confirmation bias that I regard the attempt as mostly futile. I also fault you for your sense of priority. Among all the more important issues affecting us today, the one you spend all your energies extolling is of relatively small consequence.


This is the one issue you care about to the exclusion of all others. Every discussion of encroaching dictatorship you twist into another proclamation that both sides are equally evil and dictatorial, and that you will prefer to throw your lot in with the side which has caused the most death and destruction throughout history, just to spite the people who think your drug policy is concentrated insanity.

[Diogenes]

You obviously haven't given up the snake oil you are trying to sell. Here you are, once again, misstating other's positions

Well I dunno. Aren't you an atheist who decries the loss of religion?

Agnostic. I think i've only mentioned this about fifteen times, so I can see how you might once again mistake my position. More like you really just don't try to get it right.

Oddly I think I'm a very religious person. The head office sends me messages direct. And I listen.


You are no doubt familiar with the book of Samuel. You ought to read it again and get right with ... Give up your craving for a King and your desire to place a King over others. But people crave a Master. Most want to be slaves. And in their disfigurement they prefer that others crave slavery as well. The disfigurement is then not so noticeable.

But we are all slaves to our desire to be warm in winter and eat regular. I would prefer to have no other Masters however.

=====

And once again, your commentary as to my desire for a King is just as accurate as your stipulation as to my religious beliefs. I do not want a King. A Representative Republic suits me quite well, thank you very much. Unfortunately, what we have, has evolved into something other than what it was created as.


You constantly conflate what I regard as a NECESSARY FUNCTION OF ANY GOVERNMENT with being the equivalent of Dictatorship. Once again, I will point out that No system of governance can survive the mass suicide of it's populace. The first duty of any system of governance is to preserve its own existence. One that cannot do so will be supplanted by an evolutionarily more fit form of governance. Again, see China.

When I was blogging regularly I did a bit on heroin. I had an addiction counselor tell me that in his experience all the addicts he had ever worked with were abused children. A number of current and former addicts chimed in to agree.

Dr. Lonnie Shavelson found something similar. There are organizations that are designed to assist former control addicts. Here are two:

http://www.leap.cc/

http://www.citizensopposingprohibition.org/

The head of the second ( http://www.citizensopposingprohibition.org/ ) is a close internet friend of mine.

You my friend take glee in abusing abused children. You ought to give it up. It dirties your soul. Assuming you have one.

And you, my friend, routinely assert derogatory motives on the part of anyone with whom you disagree. Even if your above stated facts are correct, you are impugning us with the motive of intent where in fact at best it could only be called inadvertent.

There is no mens rea to abuse children, and there is certainly no glee at the prospect of doing so. This is simply a vicious accusation from a proponent who cannot seem to find better ammunition for his argument.

[Diogenes]

My point would be that the same people who move the drugs into America are the same ones pushing the drug war, all the while eroding democracy. The first axiom in war is 'know your enemy,' and its not the users or street level dealers, it's the guys going through the revolving door from Intel to banking to politics to business.

I have spoken with many people over the years who believe in a century spanning conspiracy among various groups in the financial industry to slowly enrich themselves/seize power with various shenanigans at the expense of everyone else.


I have seen plenty of iterations of this argument, and I have seen counter accusations that at the base of all these theories is simple anti-semitism.


I do not presume that I can ferret out the truth of such a complex argument, and even if I could, I am in no position to do very much about it. If there is guile behind what is happening financially, I am simply going to be another victim of it.


With that said, I keep the theory in the back of my mind, and I consider whatever evidence is offered to support or refute it. It has long been my methodology to allow multiple competing theories to exist simultaneously in my mind without seizing upon any one of them as being the absolute truth.


Comprehension of reality always seems to be somewhat fuzzy, and I have come to regard Certainty as more a consequence of competing probabilities than anything else.