Maui wrote:No, I'm concluding, with ample evidence, that damage from either side refusing to compromise is (or soon will be) much more damaging that either party's fully-implemented policies.
I see it very differently. I see one side (in theory, mine) compromise for the last 3 decades. Taxes have been going up, Spending has been increasing every year, and Federal control of everything has been increasing as well.
Rather than putting up a fight and stopping any of this, my supposed side just made deal after deal after deal to keep spending more and keep increasing Federal power.
Movement has ALWAYS been towards more spending and more central power. Never the other direction.
As the productive members of the nation are slowly being dragged into socialist slavery, you are telling me the problem is that we don't compromise enough?
Schneibster wrote:You're assuming, without evidence, that both sides are equally wrong. Your plan is therefore inherently unfair to the side that is closer to right. This is especially true when one side is deliberately cheating.
Oddly enough, the kook has a point, but not in the way he thinks.
Case-in-point.
We are beyond the point that one side is going to convince the other side that they are the victim here. We need to neutralize the parties' extremist wings that are leading the Schneibster and Diogenes's of the world to free the remaining members of congress can responsibly and rationally hammer out compromises.
Schneibster wrote:You're assuming, without evidence, that both sides are equally wrong. Your plan is therefore inherently unfair to the side that is closer to right. This is especially true when one side is deliberately cheating.
Oddly enough, the kook has a point, but not in the way he thinks.
Case-in-point.
We are beyond the point that one side is going to convince the other side that they are the victim here. We need to neutralize the parties' extremist wings that are leading the Schneibster and Diogenes's of the world to free the remaining members of congress can responsibly and rationally hammer out compromises.
The problem is my views are based on science and his are based on books of fairy tales by stone age sheep herders.
Sorry, this is a false equivalence. A book of fairy tales is not equivalent to modern science.
It's time to grow up. We don't have any more time for children who can't let go of jebus claus.
We need a directorate of science, and we need it to be voted on only by scientists. You don't get to vote on reality. Get over it. Elected officials that deny the findings of the Science Directorate are subject to immediate impeachment for incompetence.
Schneibster wrote:Unfortunately, one side is all it takes to make a shutdown.
Nope, takes two sides.
P.S. I am a leftist and did vote for Obama. But the biggest problem with our country is no longer health insurance, or debt or taxes... it's the inability to compromise. You can't solve all the other issues until we solve that one.
No, it's debt. We've maxed out the Republic's credit card with socialist spending ponzi schemes, and now we owe (according to the Dallas Fed guy) 100 trillion in unfunded promises.
The left has been throwing a party for themselves for the last 40 years with promises to take other people's money and distribute it the way they see fit. (usually to their supporters and allies.)
Well now the bill is coming due.
The US Federal incoming revenues are 3 trillion. If we confiscated the entire budget of the United States, it would take us 33 years just to pay for existing debt. (And that's only if the 100 trillion number holds.)
We are about to go into Weimar style inflation, and some Stupid F***ing idiot decides we need to create another massively expensive government boondoggle program that will make England's NHS look positively utopian by comparison.
Yeah, we certainly need to compromise on this suicide pill.
‘What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.’
— Lord Melbourne —
I haven't given to a democratic campaign in two years and have no plans to. I would love to donate to a cause intended to encourage compromise... but AFAIK, one doesn't exist. Thus my post...
Remember, you're the ones who forced Obama to this. It took six years, too. And you denying two elections.
Oh, you're right about that. My side has always been far too gutless when it comes to dealing with yours. I expect that is getting ready to change.
As for the elections, they are merely an expression of what the Media Weapon is capable of accomplishing. It's easy to steer the fools in a nation when you have a monopoly on spewing propaganda.
‘What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.’
— Lord Melbourne —
Diogenes wrote:No, it's debt. We've maxed out the Republic's credit card with socialist spending ponzi schemes...
>rant<
Meanwhile on Earth the deficit is down, already by 25% and projected to be 35% in 2013. It would be down even more except for the sequester. And even so it's still on its way down.
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We need a directorate of science, and we need it to be voted on only by scientists. You don't get to vote on reality. Get over it. Elected officials that deny the findings of the Science Directorate are subject to immediate impeachment for incompetence.
Diogenes wrote:One side cheats every year by using a media monopoly to present their arguments in the most favorable light,
Your inability to distinguish between the well-known liberal bias of reality and some sort of evil Nazi plot by "the media" is strongly indicative of psychotic paranoid ideation.
I regard you as a kook, and I really don't care about your opinions of "reality."
You serve the function of a practice dummy as far as i'm concerned.
‘What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.’
— Lord Melbourne —
Schneibster wrote:You're assuming, without evidence, that both sides are equally wrong. Your plan is therefore inherently unfair to the side that is closer to right. This is especially true when one side is deliberately cheating.
Oddly enough, the kook has a point, but not in the way he thinks.
Case-in-point.
We are beyond the point that one side is going to convince the other side that they are the victim here. We need to neutralize the parties' extremist wings that are leading the Schneibster and Diogenes's of the world to free the remaining members of congress can responsibly and rationally hammer out compromises.
Let me know how you expect that Munich Agreement to work out.
‘What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.’
— Lord Melbourne —
Diogenes wrote:One side cheats every year by using a media monopoly to present their arguments in the most favorable light,
Your inability to distinguish between the well-known liberal bias of reality and some sort of evil Nazi plot by "the media" is strongly indicative of psychotic paranoid ideation.
I regard you as a kook, and I really don't care about your opinions of "reality."
You serve the function of a practice dummy as far as i'm concerned.
Says you're lying again, the deficit is down nearly 30%.
We need a directorate of science, and we need it to be voted on only by scientists. You don't get to vote on reality. Get over it. Elected officials that deny the findings of the Science Directorate are subject to immediate impeachment for incompetence.
I haven't given to a democratic campaign in two years and have no plans to. I would love to donate to a cause intended to encourage compromise... but AFAIK, one doesn't exist. Thus my post...
Obama has compromised for six years, on Earth.
We need a directorate of science, and we need it to be voted on only by scientists. You don't get to vote on reality. Get over it. Elected officials that deny the findings of the Science Directorate are subject to immediate impeachment for incompetence.
We are beyond the point that one side is going to convince the other side that they are the victim here. We need to neutralize the parties' extremist wings that are leading the Schneibster and Diogenes's of the world to free the remaining members of congress can responsibly and rationally hammer out compromises.
The problem is my views are based on science and his are based on books of fairy tales by stone age sheep herders.
I didn't know Smith, Mises, Hayek, Friedman and h3ll, even ole Keynes, were stone age sheep herders! More like you are probably just wrong about something else, as usual.
Schneibster wrote:
Sorry, this is a false equivalence. A book of fairy tales is not equivalent to modern science.
It's time to grow up. We don't have any more time for children who can't let go of jebus claus.
Been on this website for quite a number of years, and I have to say that *YOU* seem to be the first person I can recall mentioning "Jebus Claus." (And the Spelling nazi can't even spell. )
If anyone is obsessed with "Jebus Claus" it would appear to be you.
‘What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.’
— Lord Melbourne —
Diogenes wrote:No, it's debt. We've maxed out the Republic's credit card with socialist spending ponzi schemes...
>rant<
Meanwhile on Earth the deficit is down, already by 25% and projected to be 35% in 2013. It would be down even more except for the sequester. And even so it's still on its way down.
I'm not buying any numbers coming out of this Chicago Mafia's government. One only need to look at the employment numbers to realize this crew cooks the books.
And who would have ever thought otherwise?
‘What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.’
— Lord Melbourne —
Diogenes wrote:I didn't know Smith, Mises, Hayek, Friedman and h3ll, even ole Keynes, were stone age sheep herders! More like you are probably just wrong about something else, as usual.
As far as Keynes, you're just lying; and the rest are the typical freshwater Libertardian pantheon. Sorry, I don't worship; I prefer saltwater economics, not Koch brothers freshwater economics. And OBTW, Hayek justifies his "economics" with quotes from the Babble. So does Smith.
Then there's the Collapse of Monetarism, delivered as the Friedman memorial lecture, by James K. Galbraith, son of the famous John Kenneth Galbraith.
Maybe you forgot.
We need a directorate of science, and we need it to be voted on only by scientists. You don't get to vote on reality. Get over it. Elected officials that deny the findings of the Science Directorate are subject to immediate impeachment for incompetence.
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