I would have said something like I no longer see as credible any evidence presented for the existence of any god.
This made me laugh though:
I've noticed over my lifetime that those who are certain about things are generally not well informed about whatever it is they are certain about.
You are 110% certain that homosexuals are disgusting, dirty people prone to horrible diseases and child molestation. but I digress.
Why does there have to be an 'organizing force'? You just finished saying you make no claims regarding the existence of god and here you are asserting that one cannot argue there is no organizing force in the universe. What is god but an organizing force? This is an intelligent design argument.
Everything is bullshit unless proven otherwise. -A.C. Beddoe
Stubby wrote:
Why does there have to be an 'organizing force'? You just finished saying you make no claims regarding the existence of god and here you are asserting that one cannot argue there is no organizing force in the universe. What is god but an organizing force? This is an intelligent design argument.
"Organizing force" is the simplest way of describing the phenomenon of which I speak. Gravity is the "Organizing force" which makes a star function. The notion as to whether or not this term represents an entity is left entirely up to the eye of the beholder.
‘What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.’
— Lord Melbourne —
Just a bunch of pedophiles who happen to be gay.
Not evidence that homosexuals prefer or tend to prefer young same sex partners.
Members of disliked minority groups are often stereotyped as representing a danger to the majority's most vulnerable members. For example, Jews in the Middle Ages were accused of murdering Christian babies in ritual sacrifices. Black men in the United States were often lynched after being falsely accused of raping White women.
In a similar fashion, gay people have often been portrayed as a threat to children. Back in 1977, when Anita Bryant campaigned successfully to repeal a Dade County (FL) ordinance prohibiting anti-gay discrimination, she named her organization "Save Our Children," and warned that "a particularly deviant-minded [gay] teacher could sexually molest children"
Without resorting to any of the anti-gay websites you usually source as 'evidence', can you provide a link to a peer-reviewed, published in a credible journal paper that finds that links homosexuality and pedophilia?
Please try to find someone not thrown out of his professional association this time.
Everything is bullshit unless proven otherwise. -A.C. Beddoe
Diogenes doesn't evaluate things based on reality, but on what is convenient to his established point of view. It wouldn't matter if you gave him a mountain of evidence, because he honestly doesn't care about that. He'd rather just use his confirmation bias to continue to reinforce what would otherwise be an irrational position.
Stubby wrote:Just a bunch of pedophiles who happen to be gay.
Not evidence that homosexuals prefer or tend to prefer young same sex partners.
Given that they are 2% of the overall population, they are overrepresented amongst the cases of child molestation.
Stubby wrote:
Without resorting to any of the anti-gay websites you usually source as 'evidence', can you provide a link to a peer-reviewed, published in a credible journal paper that finds that links homosexuality and pedophilia?
Please try to find someone not thrown out of his professional association this time.
Take your pick. I'm pretty sure that it doesn't matter which one you choose, you are going to dismiss it anyway.
‘What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.’
— Lord Melbourne —
kcdodd wrote:Diogenes doesn't evaluate things based on reality, but on what is convenient to his established point of view. It wouldn't matter if you gave him a mountain of evidence, because he honestly doesn't care about that. He'd rather just use his confirmation bias to continue to reinforce what would otherwise be an irrational position.
This theory applies to you equally well. Better actually. I have a long record of human history from which to support my perspective.
‘What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.’
— Lord Melbourne —
Diogenes wrote:Take your pick. I'm pretty sure that it doesn't matter which one you choose, you are going to dismiss it anyway.
The very first paper to come up concludes that gays are no more likely to molest than anyone else. So, do you change your mind now? No? What a surprise. You probably never even glanced at your own search.
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I am not going to wade through hundred or thousands of sites looking for 'evidence' of your position.
Perhaps I could find some information, I would no doubt find a way of debunking it, only to have you say something like:
That is not my evidence!!!
So either you can drop the claim for lack of proof or present some that is credible, reviewed and published.
Everything is bullshit unless proven otherwise. -A.C. Beddoe
Diogenes wrote:Take your pick. I'm pretty sure that it doesn't matter which one you choose, you are going to dismiss it anyway.
The very first paper to come up concludes that gays are no more likely to molest than anyone else. So, do you change your mind now? No? What a surprise. You probably never even glanced at your own search.
What, got through that entire list already? Found one you liked so you just stopped? (and not even a very good one.) Yeah, you really want to look at evidence alright.
‘What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.’
— Lord Melbourne —
I am not going to wade through hundred or thousands of sites looking for 'evidence' of your position.
Perhaps I could find some information, I would no doubt find a way of debunking it,
And this is why I won't bother. It won't matter what I point out to you, you will conclude that the study is flawed, or the conductor of it doesn't meet your satisfaction.
Stubby wrote:
only to have you say something like:
That is not my evidence!!!
So either you can drop the claim for lack of proof or present some that is credible, reviewed and published.
Or I can just keep posting stories from news report and you can fume over them. I'm really not going to bother wasting much time on you. I have no respect for your knowledge or opinion, and the only purpose you serve from my perspective is the amusement you provide when I annoy you.
In an era of stunning cases of sexual abuse of young boys by respected authority figures — priests, Boy Scout leaders, an assistant coach at a famed college football program — the repeated rapes of boys by an adoptive father who also arranged for two other men to rape one adopted son shocked his unsuspecting neighbors, investigators and children's services officials.
‘What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.’
— Lord Melbourne —
Diogenes wrote:Take your pick. I'm pretty sure that it doesn't matter which one you choose, you are going to dismiss it anyway.
The very first paper to come up concludes that gays are no more likely to molest than anyone else. So, do you change your mind now? No? What a surprise. You probably never even glanced at your own search.
What, got through that entire list already? Found one you liked so you just stopped? (and not even a very good one.) Yeah, you really want to look at evidence alright.
I found one? It's YOUR list. Not mine. So, technically you found one, and then promptly ignored it. Would you like to suggest a paper this time that doesn't immediately refute your position?
kcdodd wrote:
The very first paper to come up concludes that gays are no more likely to molest than anyone else. So, do you change your mind now? No? What a surprise. You probably never even glanced at your own search.
What, got through that entire list already? Found one you liked so you just stopped? (and not even a very good one.) Yeah, you really want to look at evidence alright.
I found one? It's YOUR list. Not mine. So, technically you found one, and then promptly ignored it. Would you like to suggest a paper this time that doesn't immediately refute your position?
Not really. I prefer to discuss this with people who have some degree of objectivity and can count past "one."
If I recall properly, you are on record as being homosexual, so how much objectivity could you have about the topic? Might as well ask the Nazis what they think of the Jews.
‘What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.’
— Lord Melbourne —
Not really. I prefer to discuss this with people who have some degree of objectivity and can count past "one."
I don't expect anymore from you. However, I also prefer others to also have a degree of objectivity as well, and can at least count TO "one".
Diogenes wrote:
If I recall properly, you are on record as being homosexual, so how much objectivity could you have about the topic? Might as well ask the Nazis what they think of the Jews.
How about ask them what they thought about gays. Or is that something you think the Nazis got right? Granted you never said you disagreed with them at all.
I am not going to wade through hundred or thousands of sites looking for 'evidence' of your position.
Perhaps I could find some information, I would no doubt find a way of debunking it,
And this is why I won't bother. It won't matter what I point out to you, you will conclude that the study is flawed, or the conductor of it doesn't meet your satisfaction.
Stubby wrote:
only to have you say something like:
That is not my evidence!!!
So either you can drop the claim for lack of proof or present some that is credible, reviewed and published.
Or I can just keep posting stories from news report and you can fume over them. I'm really not going to bother wasting much time on you. I have no respect for your knowledge or opinion, and the only purpose you serve from my perspective is the amusement you provide when I annoy you.
In an era of stunning cases of sexual abuse of young boys by respected authority figures — priests, Boy Scout leaders, an assistant coach at a famed college football program — the repeated rapes of boys by an adoptive father who also arranged for two other men to rape one adopted son shocked his unsuspecting neighbors, investigators and children's services officials.
You keep presenting anecdotal and not scientific evidence. Strange way to try to make your case. You won't bother because you know there is no scientific, peer reviewed, credible evidence to support your assertion. The last 'expert' you trotted out was a disgraced psychologist thrown out of his professional association for using unfounded methodologies to support his presuppositions. He lead the evidence instead of following it. You are exactly like parallel trying to support Rossi. He doesn't have a scientific leg to stand on and neither do you.
So again where is the evidence? Time to walk the walk.
Everything is bullshit unless proven otherwise. -A.C. Beddoe
Diogenes wrote:
If I recall properly, you are on record as being homosexual, so how much objectivity could you have about the topic? Might as well ask the Nazis what they think of the Jews.
How about ask them what they thought about gays. Or is that something you think the Nazis got right?
but I digress.