That can't happen here.

[Diogenes]

We have a different culture or something...


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22091005

[Stubby]

Well you certainly have not had decades of war stressing you out.
Maybe after the revolution you keep hinting (hoping?) is coming...

[MSimon]

Well of course it can happen here. All you need is enough sufficiently potent stress.

You might want to look up the genesis of the methadone program.

People in chronic pain chronically take pain relievers.

Which is to say - it isn't the drugs.

In America about 70% of female heroin users were sexually molested in childhood. The number for men is 50%. See Dr. Lonny Shavelson.

If you misdiagnose the problem you will not find a cure. So lets see. The war on opiates has been going on for about 99 years. Before the war started the use rate in America was 1.3%. Today the use rate in America is 1.3%. Seems like a waste to me. Esp considering that opiates had been legal in America before the Federal ban. Over the counter even. Children could buy the stuff.

But the quality is up. Oxy has mostly replaced heroin.

[Diogenes]

Well you certainly have not had decades of war stressing you out.
Maybe after the revolution you keep hinting (hoping?) is coming...

For those with the ability to do math, the Federal expenditures appear logarithmic. Do you know what is an asymptote? Do you understand what is the probability that real world finances can reproduce an asymptote?

[Diogenes]

Well of course it can happen here. All you need is enough sufficiently potent stress.

Stress? And here I thought you merely needed chemicals which mimic natural occurring endocrinal secretions and that will bind to receptors in the human body and interfere with their normal function.


Of course we have absolutely no stress in *OUR* society, so we would be completely safe from legalized drugs.

[MSimon]

Well you certainly have not had decades of war stressing you out.
Maybe after the revolution you keep hinting (hoping?) is coming...

For those with the ability to do math, the Federal expenditures appear logarithmic. Do you know what is an asymptote? Do you understand what is the probability that real world finances can reproduce an asymptote?

One way or another drug prohibition is coming to an end. It is unaffordable.

[Stubby]

Well you certainly have not had decades of war stressing you out.
Maybe after the revolution you keep hinting (hoping?) is coming...

For those with the ability to do math, the Federal expenditures appear logarithmic. Do you know what is an asymptote? Do you understand what is the probability that real world finances can reproduce an asymptote?

Yep financial stress is right up there with bombs, land mines, amputations, mutilations, beheadings, stonings, religious police, secret police, tribal councils, and warlords.

[MSimon]

Well of course it can happen here. All you need is enough sufficiently potent stress.

Stress? And here I thought you merely needed chemicals which mimic natural occurring endocrinal secretions and that will bind to receptors in the human body and interfere with their normal function.

Of course we have absolutely no stress in *OUR* society, so we would be completely safe from legalized drugs.

Well that isn't very scientific. War zone type stress. But that is only temporary. What you need for long term PTSD for most of the population is that war zone type stress. We saw that in 'Nam. Once the stress was eliminated only about 20% of the population had long term PTSD (everybody can get it short term). All these years D and you still know almost nothing about PTSD. Considering all the research links I have dropped your way I must say it has no doubt taken considerable effort on your part to remain ignorant.

Now also look at childhood sexual molestation and heroin use. A very interesting subject. PTSD and genetics.

BTW all the heroin available in 'stan at low prices and still only 2.8% of the population are regular users. About double the US. Of course beer might be better. Or worse.

Study the US methadone program origins and results. It is possible you might learn something. Doubtful, but possible. You might also want to learn about who was buying the opium from the Hmong. And the history of opium in Manchuria. And Chiang Kai-shek and opium. Also Japan opium. It is some rather interesting history. Try also Tojo and opium. Vietnam and opium is also a rewarding avenue of research.

The go to guy is McCoy's "The Politics of Heroin" - everyone who knows the field says he is the go to guy. You have read McCoy haven't you? It is free on the 'net. At least an early edition is.

Well. I do suppose ignorance supports your point of view the best. So perhaps you ought to keep it.

[MSimon]

This is interesting:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21508514

Well to me anyway.

[Diogenes]

Well you certainly have not had decades of war stressing you out.
Maybe after the revolution you keep hinting (hoping?) is coming...

For those with the ability to do math, the Federal expenditures appear logarithmic. Do you know what is an asymptote? Do you understand what is the probability that real world finances can reproduce an asymptote?

One way or another drug prohibition is coming to an end. It is unaffordable.

Again, your focus is the fly on the horses' rump. It is ALL coming to an end, not just the tiny little piece you obsess on.

[Diogenes]

Well you certainly have not had decades of war stressing you out.
Maybe after the revolution you keep hinting (hoping?) is coming...

For those with the ability to do math, the Federal expenditures appear logarithmic. Do you know what is an asymptote? Do you understand what is the probability that real world finances can reproduce an asymptote?

Yep financial stress is right up there with bombs, land mines, amputations, mutilations, beheadings, stonings, religious police, secret police, tribal councils, and warlords.

The comparison is as lightning to a lightning bug. I expected nor more than this level of understanding from you.

[Stubby]

Hey you brought up the drug thing. fair game for Simon to have at it.
I brought up stress as a reason for stimulant use, do you deny increased stress can lead to increased stimulant use? 'to be calm and relax'?
Afghanistan is such a FUBAR'ed place, it would be very difficult to attribute any one effect to any one cause.

If you are personally worried about financial stress leading to stress thus leading to increased stimulant use, you should have lead with a different picture.

[Diogenes]

Hey you brought up the drug thing. fair game for Simon to have at it.
I brought up stress as a reason for stimulant use, do you deny increased stress can lead to increased stimulant use? 'to be calm and relax'?
Afghanistan is such a FUBAR'ed place, it would be very difficult to attribute any one effect to any one cause.

If you are personally worried about financial stress leading to stress thus leading to increased stimulant use, you should have lead with a different picture.

You are mixing up one conversation with another. The Drug topic is only tangentially related to the Financial asymptote topic. (The thread to which you replied.)


Fed Gov finances are on a crash course into a wall. Too many simple minded people just don't realize it yet.