Crime and Punishment: Oklahoma (& Texas) style!

[ladajo]

Well paperburn1. What now?

What law has Dr. Allen violated? Heal the sick? Such a criminal.

Aren't you, like any Good German, proud of what is being done in your name?

Quick question, you dislike all Germans (ironic from someone that lives near Stillman valley) and does it include other cultures as well? Perhaps even other races? Just asking as the way you presented the quote.

No. I rather dislike all humans. The Germans are just one of the best examples we have.

We obeyed the law. We followed orders. - The absolution is absolute - in some minds.

What a jackass thing to say. You know better. The crimes of a few do not make the crime of the many. Your cherished Jewish history has a number of wonderful "we obeyed the law, we follwed orders" moments as well.

[paperburn1]

No. I rather dislike all humans. The Germans are just one of the best examples we have.

We obeyed the law. We followed orders. - The absolution is absolute - in some minds.

What a jackass thing to say. You know better. The crimes of a few do not make the crime of the many. Your cherished Jewish history has a number of wonderful "we obeyed the law, we follwed orders" moments as well.[/quote]
IGNORE him ladajo
What he just did there was a huge insult. Simon knows i grew up only a few miles from him . The area is predominantly Germans and Swiss. Most moved from Germany to get away from the very thing he accused me of being. To say such an accusation to people from that area is the height of vulgarity and totally couthie as I am sure he knows. Besser allein als in schlechter Gesellschaft.

[GIThruster]

Personally, I think it's pretty hard to be insulted by anyone who claims to dislike all humans.

[williatw]

An interesting video illustrating how easy it is to fire a gun seven times when one is acting in self defense
http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/

MB Studio Productions High Capacity Magazine PSA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F1nPSNn ... r_embedded

[MSimon]

The crimes of a few do not make the crime of the many.

Then we are not responsible for the government we elect? A novel theory of human responsibility. Quite common. Which is why I dislike humans.

I look forward to the end of prohibition when the "we never knew" phrase will become a stock in trade as it was in post WW2 Germany. I heard it from some Germans around that time (50s). It never rang true.

Of course your run of the mill human will avoid opposing evil if it has any personal costs. "A person could get killed resisting." And besides they are dopers/Jews.

Generally people would rather "fit in" as opposed to resisting. It is why resistance movements are generally small. It is why smart governments prefer very small minorities for the two minutes of hate. If the minority is too large or the dictates of morality change, government winds up looking bad.

"What do you mean the stuff is medicine? That is just an excuse for euphoria."

And yet it IS medicine. And ethanol induced euphoria is sacred. As decreed by the high priests of some of our religions. Who denigrate any other kind. Sounds like something out of 23rd Dynasty Egypt. Power will shift if the euphoriant mix changes. And that power shift must be resisted. We are so 21st Century in our technology. And so 2,000 BC in our humanness.

[TDPerk]

Then we are not responsible for the government we elect? A novel theory of human responsibility. Quite common. Which is why I dislike humans.

Perhaps you have in fact never recovered from anything? Perhaps you are just the emotional infant GIThruster is!

Perhaps you are a sophist at best, and have lit on one worthy permanent cause--to exclusion of all others more worthy, and even ones which would subsume and obviate that one?

No one can be responsible for any government they did not elect, an I certainly did not elect Obama. Perhaps I could be held responsible for not rebelling effectively against him, but the bar to justify effective (read, violent) rebellion is quite high. Quite. Here it would largely require the loss of jury, ballot, and soapbox--and if the Progressives who imagine they can be philosopher kings and design society have largely done for the first, the others still work well enough, and may soon work better still. In the same way Ghandi would have been stain on a tank tread, had his opponents been the 3rd Reich and his tactics been the same, non-violent resistance cannot be effective here--our LEO will follow orders, and jail millions.

Have you any doubt of that?

The uselessness of protest and expense of it can only turn off the public from your cause, or for that matter, most of them. Most people have many perfectly legitimate concerns which do not overlap yours, distract them from them too much, and they should and will resent it.

And yet it IS medicine.

So YOU say. You are enough of a singleminded crank on the topic, I mistrust the worth of everything you cite.

And ethanol induced euphoria is sacred.

Actually it is quite in disrepute, the more so the more recently, and the liberty inherent to choosing to drink it is the same disparaged in the prohibition we both aim to end.

As decreed by the high priests of some of our religions.

Not one I know of. Are you sure you haven't just now had way too much of either?

Who denigrate any other kind.

They denigrate the lot of them. Except possibly the Wiccans, they may be fans of anything and everything, the way I've heard some talk.

Sounds like something out of 23rd Dynasty Egypt.

No, not so much.

Power will shift if the euphoriant mix changes.

Not even slightly so. Minds change first, then the laws do.

And that power shift must be resisted.

Successful demand forces those once in power to yield, but the nature of power does not change.

We are so 21st Century in our technology. And so 2,000 BC in our humanness.

And a darn fine thing it is, we won't soon do better. 'Course some Progressives imagine we can, then follows hell, if they have their way. If you think the prohibition of pot is hell, get some perspective on what Progressives wrought in the Shoah, or Katyn, or starved kulaks, or small handcuffs for taking aboriginal children to be chained in school, or people not given antibiotics for syphillis, or the stacks of skulls in Cambodia.

I'd fuss at you to get a hold of yourself, but I don't think you have the perspective to see to grab on.

[MSimon]

Perhaps you are a sophist at best, and have lit on one worthy permanent cause--to exclusion of all others more worthy, and even ones which would subsume and obviate that one?

Well maybe. But denying medicine to the ill is a crime against humanity. But you could be right. Opposing crimes against humanity is probably unworthy of me. Not to mention the mass incarceration that is also part of the scheme. If you know of any larger crimes (I estimate at least a million prematurely dead in 20 years and at least twice that many ruined by incarceration) that need my attention I'd be glad to have a look.

That would probably be my next project.

[MSimon]

No one can be responsible for any government they did not elect,

Well I'm not quite so loose. I prefer, "No one can be responsible for any government policy they actively opposed." I take non-opposition as tacit acceptance.

Even "good" governments have bad policies. Bad policies (esp. crimes against humanity) should/must be actively opposed.

In a recent report, the National Cancer Institute (NCI), part of the Federal government's National Institutes of Health (NIH), stated that marijuana "inhibited the survival of both estrogen receptor–positive and estrogen receptor–negative breast cancer cell lines." The same report showed marijuana slows or stops the growth of certain lung cancer cells and suggested that marijuana may provide "risk reduction and treatment of colorectal cancer."

Referring to the NCI report, Patient Rights attorney Matthew Pappas said, "The Federal government's continuing attack on people prescribed medical cannabis by their doctors is hypocritical considering the benefits reported by its own National Cancer Institute."

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/51148243/ns/b ... Zx7X8qmXsc

I expect the end of prohibition will leave us generally in a state similar to Post-Vietnam. Depressed. With our national self confidence badly shaken. What can you say about a nation that willingly committed crimes against humanity? I expect that the tool ("crimes against humanity") will be used by the left against the right when the time is ripe. Lovely.

[MSimon]

In addition to anti-cancer properties, separate research reported marijuana appears to have "profound nerve-protective and brain-enhancing properties that could potentially treat many neurodegenerative disorders." In its report, the National Cancer Institute stated cannabis effectively treats insomnia and referenced a placebo-controlled study in cancer patients showing increased quality of sleep and relaxation in those treated with tetrahydrocannabinol, an active component in marijuana.

Responding to a White House statement that only a small percentage of patients prescribed medical cannabis under state laws use it to treat cancer, Pappas said "marijuana isn't just for cancer or AIDS patients – it can also treat, for example, sleeplessness." Although generally not a life threatening condition, Pappas referred to insomnia as a health issue regularly treated with prescription drugs zolpidem (brand name Ambien) and eszopiclone (brand name Lunesta). According to their manufacturers' websites, zolpidem and eszopiclone have been shown to cause severe side effects including aggressiveness, hallucinations, confusion, or suicidal thoughts. Pappas noted that, unlike those drugs, studies on insomnia similar to those reported by the National Cancer Institute show medical marijuana effectively treats insomnia at a far lower cost and with fewer side effects. Marijuana has also been prescribed for glaucoma, multiple sclerosis, chronic pain, and a variety of other physical and mental conditions.

Addressing the White House website statement that medical marijuana should remain criminally illegal under federal law, Pappas said that "with every drug, the doctor must consider the benefits versus any possible side effects. In its 3000-plus year history of medicinal use, there has never been a known, confirmed death caused by overdose of marijuana. To suggest that prescription drugs known to have severe negative side effects are alright and that marijuana can only be used for cancer or AIDS is nonsensical.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/51148243/ns/b ... Zx7X8qmXsc

In fact the diseases listed are but a small fraction of the possibilities. The endocannabinoid system is a major regulator in the body implicated in almost all diseases including cancer.

Got that? Almost all diseases.

Crime against humanity? Or just a small problem affecting people of no account?

[Diogenes]

Minds change first, then the laws do.

They are interrelated. They have interactive positive feedback characteristics. A chunk of the population is motivated by declarations of Authority, but not all.

[williatw]

Eliminate armed guards for the President, Vice-President, and their families, and establish Gun Free Zones around them

Gun Free Zones are supposed to protect our children, and some politicians wish to strip us of our right to keep and bear arms. Those same politicians and their families are currently under the protection of armed Secret Service agents. If Gun Free Zones are sufficient protection for our children, then Gun Free Zones should be good enough for politicians.



https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petiti ... s/6RDGkxLK

[Stubby]

Great idea!

[kcdodd]

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[krenshala]

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[williatw]

Armed Carjacker meets Armed Citizen

Armed Robbery on videotape goes wrong in Venezuela (No Sound)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQ2IzMaq ... r_embedded

Happening in Venezuela no less....I hope he didn't face any charges afterward.