10KW LENR demonstrator (new thread)

ladajo · Post by **ladajo** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:52 pm

parallel wrote:
Regarding test results: We clearly stated in our announcement that "test results may be published". It is impossible to know the communication policy held by each government Authority or indeed the selected "internationally recognized and reputable scientific organization" that we have accepted to conduct tests when they verify the existence and validity of LENR.

I took the "may" to be "could be" in context.

I also took the rest to be some vague reference to conspiracy theory perspective that announcing "existence and validity of LENR" (along with other similar themed comments) could likely be considered bad, and thsu not done...or something of the sort.

ladajo · Post by **ladajo** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:54 pm

Skipjack wrote:
Cavitation is mechanically induced local boiling in a fluid.
and submariners like Simon know that and try to avoid it, because it makes noise

In submarining, to say "he/they is/are cavitating" normally is slang to say someone is "making a lot of noise and going no-where".

KitemanSA · Post by **KitemanSA** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:40 pm

ladajo wrote: I took the "may" to be "could be" in context.

Still not clear. Do they mean "is permitted to be" or "might possibly be"?

stefanbanev · Post by **stefanbanev** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:56 pm

KitemanSA wrote:
ladajo wrote: I took the "may" to be "could be" in context.
Still not clear. Do they mean "is permitted to be" or "might possibly be"?

It says that the publishing is not prohibited by DGT but also it implies they have no control to make them to publish or/and there are some conditions the publishing may not happen; will see... Anyway, DGT's guy responsible for the public relations is doing a solid & professional job (in contrast with some "fishy" figures from DGT)...

Skipjack · Post by **Skipjack** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:13 pm

In submarining, to say "he/they is/are cavitating" normally is slang to say someone is "making a lot of noise and going no-where".

Hehe, yes, exactly like LENR, what a wonderful conincidence

stefanbanev · Post by **stefanbanev** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:42 pm

Aside notes:

It is likely that the NDA DGT made all test-parties to sign states that the mutual approval is required to allow to go public with the test-results.

1) If result is negative DGT will not approve
2) If result is positive DGT will approve but what insensitives for other parties to go public (besides DS reword ;o))) (?)

The bureaucracy of any organisation always takes the safest for the personal carrier route. So, imagine the following scenario: the test-delegation gets back with positive report and now the administration needs to take decision and I have difficulty to imagine what insensitives they may have to go public taking into account UFO-like stigmata of "CF". Besides, administration may assume the possibility that engineers could be victims of trickery; therefore, the most likely scenarios are quite apparent:

1) Preparing very subtle/precocious PR (DGT may not approve)
2) Delaying PR indefinitely until it loses any merits
3) Will require extra in-house testing (version of (2)) needless to say it does not solve the "insensitives" issue.

I see two reasons they may go public:

1) They are stupid naive and enthusiastic... (highly unlikely)
2) They have business interest with DGT (not creditable for some skeptics but for me it is the most creditable and desirable outcome since to become a part of scam-enterprise is a way more risky then just to publish a positive result)

Axil · Post by **Axil** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:43 pm

It’s ironic that LENR has pushed past polywell as the preferred shipboard power platform of the future 21st century navy. Some old salts will need to learn some new things.

ScottL · Post by **ScottL** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:14 pm

Axil wrote:It’s ironic that LENR has pushed past polywell as the preferred shipboard power platform of the future 21st century navy. Some old salts will need to learn some new things.

Source? Link to Navy contracts related to LENR?

From everything I'm seeing, they cancelled all LENR research at SPAWAR and there are no reports of it continuing elsewhere in the Navy.

Axil · Post by **Axil** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:07 pm

ScottL wrote:
Axil wrote:It’s ironic that LENR has pushed past polywell as the preferred shipboard power platform of the future 21st century navy. Some old salts will need to learn some new things.
Source? Link to Navy contracts related to LENR?

From everything I'm seeing, they cancelled all LENR research at SPAWAR and there are no reports of it continuing elsewhere in the Navy.

That reorganization is a strong indicator that the customer is the Navy. The Cancelation is a result of a reorganization away from D-Pt to Ni-H.

See:

http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@es ... 63967.html

Also Rossi said…customer’s name begins with an N and is experienced at keeping secrets.

http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@es ... 63955.html

There are many other indications that the customer is the Navy including insider posts left right here on this thread.

ladajo · Post by **ladajo** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 11:18 pm

I don't think so.

ScottL · Post by **ScottL** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 11:26 pm

Axil wrote:
ScottL wrote:
Axil wrote:It’s ironic that LENR has pushed past polywell as the preferred shipboard power platform of the future 21st century navy. Some old salts will need to learn some new things.
Source? Link to Navy contracts related to LENR?

From everything I'm seeing, they cancelled all LENR research at SPAWAR and there are no reports of it continuing elsewhere in the Navy.
That reorganization is a strong indicator that the customer is the Navy. The Cancelation is a result of a reorganization away from D-Pt to Ni-H.

See:

http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@es ... 63967.html

Also Rossi said…customer’s name begins with an N and is experienced at keeping secrets.

http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@es ... 63955.html

There are many other indications that the customer is the Navy including insider posts left right here on this thread.

From what I'm reading, SPAWAR is cancelling ALL LENR research, not a subset. They're cutting all funding to research related to LENR and cancelling all future contracts related to LENR.

Axil · Post by **Axil** » Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:05 am

ScottL wrote:
Axil wrote:
ScottL wrote: Source? Link to Navy contracts related to LENR?

From everything I'm seeing, they cancelled all LENR research at SPAWAR and there are no reports of it continuing elsewhere in the Navy.
That reorganization is a strong indicator that the customer is the Navy. The Cancelation is a result of a reorganization away from D-Pt to Ni-H.

See:

http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@es ... 63967.html

Also Rossi said…customer’s name begins with an N and is experienced at keeping secrets.

http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@es ... 63955.html

There are many other indications that the customer is the Navy including insider posts left right here on this thread.
From what I'm reading, SPAWAR is cancelling ALL LENR research, not a subset. They're cutting all funding to research related to LENR and cancelling all future contracts related to LENR.

So what!

Fallin wrote, “while I won’t discuss details of our internal decision-making processes, I will confirm SPAWAR plans no further low-energy nuclear reaction (LENR) research. There are other organizations within the federal government that are better aligned to continue research regarding nuclear power. We have taken initial steps to determine how a transition of low-energy nuclear reaction (LENR) research might occur.”

If you can understand the English language, LENR is the new Navy power source!

Rossi will tell them how to build a LENR reactor…No need for any more R&D.

ScottL · Post by **ScottL** » Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:37 am

Axil wrote: So what!

Fallin wrote, “while I won’t discuss details of our internal decision-making processes, I will confirm SPAWAR plans no further low-energy nuclear reaction (LENR) research. There are other organizations within the federal government that are better aligned to continue research regarding nuclear power. We have taken initial steps to determine how a transition of low-energy nuclear reaction (LENR) research might occur.”

If you can understand the English language, LENR is the new Navy power source!

Rossi will tell them how to build a LENR reactor…No need for any more R&D.

I understand the english language quite well considering it is my first language. I fail to see in your quote where it says LENR is the new Navy power source and where Rossi is mentioned. You do realize there is SPAWAR which is pro-LENR research and the Navy Research Lab which has a very bad track record with supporting LENR research. In all likelihood this is a death-knell for LENR in the Navy which is sad from a scientific research standpoint.

A researcher from SPAWAR went to see the Oct. 6th Rossi demonstration on their own dime, but more was made of this researchers' visit than was true. He was called a SPAWAR representative in the Fox News article, when in fact he was not representing them at all, and now the new Rear-Admiral as I understand it is trying to distance SPAWAR from Rossi and the LENR topic to avoid any potential embarassment.

If I want to take a play from your book, I could just as easily say that SPAWAR is cancelling all LENR research because Polywell has been found to be successful. There is no need to waste funding on other ventures now. It's really easy to make these conclusions like you did with little to no evidence.

Written Feb. 8th:
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/02/ ... h-at-risk/

The future of low-energy nuclear reaction research at the Navy’s Space and Naval Warfare Systems Center in San Diego, Calif., is at risk.

New Energy Times recently learned that a November 2011 story written by journalist John Brandon, published by Fox News, has led to potentially serious problems for this research group. The story was about Andrea Rossi’s “Energy Catalyzer” and suggested that it could be a “complete hoax.” We are still trying to learn more about the SPAWAR situation and will report details as soon as we can.

Evidence is pointing in the embarassment view which is sad news for LENR research.

Axil · Post by **Axil** » Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:14 am

ScottL wrote:
Axil wrote: So what!

Fallin wrote, “while I won’t discuss details of our internal decision-making processes, I will confirm SPAWAR plans no further low-energy nuclear reaction (LENR) research. There are other organizations within the federal government that are better aligned to continue research regarding nuclear power. We have taken initial steps to determine how a transition of low-energy nuclear reaction (LENR) research might occur.”

If you can understand the English language, LENR is the new Navy power source!

Rossi will tell them how to build a LENR reactor…No need for any more R&D.
I understand the english language quite well considering it is my first language. I fail to see in your quote where it says LENR is the new Navy power source and where Rossi is mentioned. You do realize there is SPAWAR which is pro-LENR research and the Navy Research Lab which has a very bad track record with supporting LENR research. In all likelihood this is a death-knell for LENR in the Navy which is sad from a scientific research standpoint.

A researcher from SPAWAR went to see the Oct. 6th Rossi demonstration on their own dime, but more was made of this researchers' visit than was true. He was called a SPAWAR representative in the Fox News article, when in fact he was not representing them at all, and now the new Rear-Admiral as I understand it is trying to distance SPAWAR from Rossi and the LENR topic to avoid any potential embarassment.

If I want to take a play from your book, I could just as easily say that SPAWAR is cancelling all LENR research because Polywell has been found to be successful. There is no need to waste funding on other ventures now. It's really easy to make these conclusions like you did with little to no evidence.

Written Feb. 8th:
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/02/ ... h-at-risk/
The future of low-energy nuclear reaction research at the Navy’s Space and Naval Warfare Systems Center in San Diego, Calif., is at risk.

New Energy Times recently learned that a November 2011 story written by journalist John Brandon, published by Fox News, has led to potentially serious problems for this research group. The story was about Andrea Rossi’s “Energy Catalyzer” and suggested that it could be a “complete hoax.” We are still trying to learn more about the SPAWAR situation and will report details as soon as we can.
Evidence is pointing in the embarassment view which is sad news for LENR research.

In any case, whatever the Navy is doing, polywell or LENR, it is blacked out. Only time will tell.

Betruger · Post by **Betruger** » Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:02 am

If you can understand the English language, LENR is the new Navy power source!

In any case, whatever the Navy is doing, polywell or LENR, it is blacked out. Only time will tell.

You can't have it both ways.